Your thoughts on Ruthless replacing regular for league events?

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Cihonidas wrote:

I love Ruthless. Slower gameplay and item scarcity add more depth for me. But this mode definitely requires more time. If we had "Standard Ruthless SSF" it would be my favorite mode. Also respec should be free in it because you might need to change your build often, based on what you find.

Thats what I expected it to be. Separate from regular poe and leagues. Not timed events. I would heavily prefer that.

On the events announcement, it was stated that they were trying new experimental things for events.

Regarding Ruthless replacing regular gameplay, I loved Ruthless through the storyline. It was lots of fun. Ruthless was boring shit in the endgame. GGG needs to improve Ruthless endgame. The endgame is my favorite part of PoE.

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trixxar wrote:

"Guess what events arent? the regular game!"

Events have been held for years using regular game mechanics, drop rates, skills, and rules, with added on league-style mechanics or multi-league mechanics.

It takes a huge amount of mental gymnastics to say something using regular game rules consistently for over a decade is not part of the regular game.



So anyway, your disagreement boils down to not calling end of league events part of the regular game (even though all up till now used regular game rules). You could have just said that.

the regular game is leagues and standard in all their forms, sc,hc,ssf thats thats it and thats the game that 99% of people play

Events aren't the regular game they are events and most of them are nothing like the regular game....

Endless delve? how is that like regular game, no maps, no control over zone mods, no acts, no crafting bench, no atlas tree, scarabs, other league mechanics to obtain items like timless jewels etc dont exist.
special unique items added to game JUST for that mode and muleable to stack them on other chars!? is that still the same regular game to you? More so than ruthless? really? you sure? feels pretty different to me

events are a way for ggg to keep the player base engaged when the regular game gets stale after 2 months of a league


explain to me why you feel ruthless is any different than a delve or mayhem event? its just an altered version of the regular game as all other events are

imagine a world where ruthless wasn't a permanent game mode and GGG didnt have a post for you to quote in your OP
in that world GGG hosted a challenge event with "extreme item scarcity and no movement skills etc etc" and called it Challenge Mode or something to see how far players could get would you still be upset? or just treat it like a weird twist on the regular game like mayhem and all other events are?

Im just pointing out that all events are a change to the regular game by your definition so please stop pretending ruthless is encroaching on the regular game when events have nothing whatsoever to do with it
thanks for reading

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RitualMurder wrote:

imagine a world where ... GGG didnt have a post for you to quote

Your argument boils down to, logically, "Imagine GGG did not say what they said, would you see an issue". Uh... no? In a different world where they didnt say that, I wouldnt be bringing up that they said that.

If they didnt claim Ruthless would not impact regular PoE, I would not raise the issue that they said Ruthless would not impact regular PoE.

Happy I could clarify this...

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RitualMurder wrote:

[events] how is that like regular game...explain to me why you feel ruthless is any different than [events]"

Fair question.

All previous events have basically the same level of equipment drops and support gem drops, and currency drops. While the exact rates vary over time, Ruthless is a ... 95%? 98%? reduction from all other league events ever.

League events have always used regular PoE drop rates, support gem availability, and movement skills.

Saying they are not regular PoE is an insane stretch, especially now that GGG has specifically designed "Ruthless" and "Regular" and has events following either one.

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trixxar wrote:

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RitualMurder wrote:

imagine a world where ... GGG didnt have a post for you to quote

Your argument boils down to, logically, "Imagine GGG did not say what they said, would you see an issue". Uh... no? In a different world where they didnt say that, I wouldnt be bringing up that they said that.

If they didnt claim Ruthless would not impact regular PoE, I would not raise the issue that they said Ruthless would not impact regular PoE.

Happy I could clarify this...

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RitualMurder wrote:

[events] how is that like regular game...explain to me why you feel ruthless is any different than [events]"

Fair question.

All previous events have basically the same level of equipment drops and support gem drops, and currency drops. While the exact rates vary over time, Ruthless is a ... 95%? 98%? reduction from all other league events ever.

League events have always used regular PoE drop rates, support gem availability, and movement skills.


Saying they are not regular PoE is an insane stretch, especially now that GGG has specifically designed "Ruthless" and "Regular" and has events following either one.

so sounds like you just cant deal with the grind in ruthless is what im hearing me either man it was rough to get to yellow maps so i chose to not engage in the event since i decided after trying that the mode wasnt for me
BUT i can still go and play....
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wait for the drum roll
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THE REGULAR GAME! Like sanctum or my standard ssf characters cus its all still there untouched by the big bad ruthless boogieman

/out

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RitualMurder wrote:

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THE REGULAR GAME! Like sanctum or my standard ssf characters cus its all still there untouched by the big bad ruthless boogieman

Yeah, sounds like we should thank GGG that we still could play non-ruthless? Honestly, this ruthless crap just came out and already robbed us via stealing one-month event. Could be old good flashback instead of this fiasco.


I didnt care about ruthless until GGG started to force advertise it. But after this event - well, it's another part of the vision, that should be burned asap to prevent further attempts into implementing it into the core.

Yeah the regular league is there, I definitely feel less interest in the game overall knowing that future end-of-league events will not necessarily be regular as well.

And Im curious how others feel about it.

I also feel misled by GGG about Ruthless, but I actually genuinely agree with you it could be obscure if they did not feel end of league events (which use regular rules 100% of the time before Ruthless) were "regular".

Seems like something that is a significant part of the game, they might want to be clear.

Thats it.

its good for streamers.

for everyone else, naaaah

I don't think this will become the normal event mode moving forward. There is a part of me that thinks they believe if people played Ruthless and were forced to play it once, they would like it. That's clearly not the case, so I think this will be the first and last time they do it as the main long term event.

I'm personally irritated that it is voided. Ruthless w/ Gold feels harder than normal Ruthless. Why does it need to be voided? I guess because of the parent league thing? I'll hit 45 to get the mystery box and for practice and then back to Sanctum. I enjoy Ruthless to a point, but I don't like the removal of movement skills and entering end game with a 1-link; or 2-link skill if you're lucky.

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Anngrat wrote:

I'd agree with that. I skipped this league anyways, but 1 month ruthless-only event made me laugh really hard. Totally optional game mode they say, noone gonna force you to play it they say, no effect on core game they say XD

Exactly this. The Ruthless development creep has already begun. This is just the most recent evidence.