poe is still the most p2w game ive ever played

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yamface wrote:

if you dont like -my- opinions, which you dont seem to, then feel free to not post in here! this isnt your thread...

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yamface wrote:

the reason why the thread is titled as such is because despite these other games i brought up are gacha games, none of these games do this to you the way poe does. locking away important features or items behind money is an old p2w strategy that more or less died out because it was too extreme. poe is one of the few games left that still hasnt gotten the memo.

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Phrazz wrote:

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yamface wrote:

if you dont like -my- opinions, which you dont seem to, then feel free to not post in here! this isnt your thread...

So... You're posting on an online forum just to discuss with likeminded people agreeing with you? Describe what's wrong with the internet, without describing what's wrong with the internet.

Before you answer; who IS this thread for?

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Pashid wrote:

Well you can still trade even without any spendings

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yamface wrote:

youre defending someone whose post contained nothing but complaints about my own opinions with no ontopic argument and called for a thread close, while writing about likemindedness.. not exactly the smartest thing youve done

by the way, there is a fundamental difference between not liking an opinion and disagreeing with it. you can say the best lamborgini color is red and i can disagree with that without.. you know.. not liking it either. that should be enough to clear your misunderstanding.

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yamface wrote:

before people tell me ive never played a real p2w game before: i played both lost ark and genshin. its true that in both of these games, if you pay money, you get to shortcut your way to a much larger increase in character power. but none of things you buy in these games are objectively unobtainable from playing f2p and with reasonable time investment, your characters can be very close in strength compared to the whales.

to name some examples of myself, a whale in lost ark will have max item level and full level 10 gems, my character is about 20 levels max item level, and she also has a few key level 10 gems. despite what it looks, the difference in power is actually very minimal, so much so that there is little pressure to make players open their wallets

genshin is a bit of a tougher one to f2p. but even still, i got myself a c2 raiden shogun and its bis weapon + nahida. for what its worth, this setup is much weaker than a whale's team, but its counteracted by the fact that the hardest content in the game can be obliterated even with my f2p party. the game was designed so that any waifu you want to play can steamroll everything.

for these games, ive put in $0. in poe, ive had to put in a few hundred dollars. now to be fair, i couldve done away with maybe $20-$50 worth of stash tabs but poe is the only game ive played where it is advertised as f2p but in a practical sense, you will need to pay money just to be remotely relevant in endgame trading

for the people saying you can make a million mules: the personal discomfort of using only the default tabs is only half the reason i had to pay money. the other half is that every other buyer that i told to wait while i log over to a mule.. simply left and found another seller. the personal discomfort may be subjective even if 99.999% of players agree with the sentiment, but the buyers ditching you because they don't want to wait is an objective minus

its a bit ironic that the one game that flaunts being "not pay to win" (as advertised in the poe website).. is more p2w than many major p2w titles themselves

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Kurgan40 wrote:

Then you haven't played very many games. Some pay for convenience here, but not pay to WIN. Not even arguable, especially in comparison to other games out there. And the fact that there is no "Win" here.

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yamface wrote:

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Pashid wrote:

Well you can still trade even without any spendings

that doesnt disprove poe isnt p2w. you can do everything in the other games i talked about without spending money either. the reason why i didnt pay money to genshin or lost ark is because i am at a comparable level of relevancy with someone that does spend money. in poe, the league resets before any of that happens. or you have to play the dumpster that is standard, but then again that means you have to forfeit experiencing any current league content. no matter what, using only the default stash tabs will screw you over harder than anything these gachas throw at you

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Pashid wrote:

And what is the p2w part for you? the somewhat faster progress cause you can sell more at the same time? It's pretty much the same as buying stuff for irl money in any other game to boost your progress. In both cases it's not required to achieve anything.
Besides that you can also do pretty much everything in poe without any spending at all. Content won't appear out of nowhere just because you own more mtx stuff than others.
But hey best example are all the ssf player, they get done with every content without a single trade at all. So so much about p2w lol

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yamface wrote:

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Pashid wrote:

And what is the p2w part for you? the somewhat faster progress cause you can sell more at the same time? It's pretty much the same as buying stuff for irl money in any other game to boost your progress. In both cases it's not required to achieve anything.
Besides that you can also do pretty much everything in poe without any spending at all. Content won't appear out of nowhere just because you own more mtx stuff than others.
But hey best example are all the ssf player, they get done with every content without a single trade at all. So so much about p2w lol

yes. and in other titles the players have no problem calling it p2w. the only people who do have a problem with this are poe forum posters. i couldve posted this same thread on reddit and most people wouldve at least agreed stash tabs is a pretty p2w element. its really just the people here that have problems with that notion

being able to do all content without paying money doesnt prove this game isnt p2w, you only reinforced that this game is f2p, which it is. but so is genshin and lost ark.

every ssf player you look up to bought stash tabs. every gauntlet winner in the history of league gauntlets have bought stash tabs. everyone in this thread has also bought stash tabs.

there is nothing any game can offer to sell that would make this much portion of players buy their pixels, unless it objectively gave an advantage of some sort or if they were forced to do so. in poe's case, that would be the former.