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I don't understand why people torpedo their own arguments with untenable claims. And even then, if we ignore that only GGG themselves possess the data to really make any 'objective' statements about PoE's performance as a product (give or take the yearly statements that even then don't show the whole picture), what do we mean by 'worst'? 'Worst performing' seems to be the OP's thrust, but then they naturally conflate that with 'worst experience', which would be logical if we ignored that PoE is addictive as all fuck and addictive behaviour defenestrates logic with spectacular yeetability.
Wait, no, yes I do understand why they do it -- because people rarely argue against an opinion, a subjective take, that declares itself to be such. Where's the fun in that? Like, that's just your opinion, man. Well, yes, it is. I just said it was. Huh...so how about the weather eh?
So it's either torpedo one's own argument by hyperbolising the shit out of it to get clicks/responses, OR torpedo any chances of it getting much traction by stating up front that you might, in fact, actually...be fucking wrong.
Which, in case I haven't made abundantly clear, the OP is. I mean, kudos for framing the title as a question, but no one who clicked on it was expecting anything but proof that, as far as the OP is concerned, it was never a question in the first place. A gentle bait and switch, but a bait and switch nonetheless. Framed as a question, argued as a fact. Do Not Try This In Situations Where Being Right Actually Matters, Kids. Great for online tabloid journalism, terrible for really convincing anyone.
Next time, OP, step up. Get rid of that question mark in your topic title, and just say it up front. It won't make you any more correct or right, but it'll certainly put a little bit more punch behind how you go about failing to prove it.
Sorry, I'm just between more important things and felt like writing something that just doesn't matter, where I can use the same handful of favourite sesquipedaliæ and not feel like I've let anyone down but myself. ^_^
If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period.
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Posted byForeverhappychan#4626on Jan 5, 2023, 6:52:47 AMAlpha Member
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Foreverhappychan wrote:
I don't understand why people torpedo their own arguments with untenable claims. And even then, if we ignore that only GGG themselves possess the data to really make any 'objective' statements about PoE's performance as a product (give or take the yearly statements that even then don't show the whole picture), what do we mean by 'worst'? 'Worst performing' seems to be the OP's thrust, but then they naturally conflate that with 'worst experience', which would be logical if we ignored that PoE is addictive as all fuck and addictive behaviour defenestrates logic with spectacular yeetability.
Wait, no, yes I do understand why they do it -- because people rarely argue against an opinion, a subjective take, that declares itself to be such. Where's the fun in that? Like, that's just your opinion, man. Well, yes, it is. I just said it was. Huh...so how about the weather eh?
So it's either torpedo one's own argument by hyperbolising the shit out of it to get clicks/responses, OR torpedo any chances of it getting much traction by stating up front that you might, in fact, actually...be fucking wrong.
Which, in case I haven't made abundantly clear, the OP is. I mean, kudos for framing the title as a question, but no one who clicked on it was expecting anything but proof that, as far as the OP is concerned, it was never a question in the first place. A gentle bait and switch, but a bait and switch nonetheless. Framed as a question, argued as a fact. Do Not Try This In Situations Where Being Right Actually Matters, Kids. Great for online tabloid journalism, terrible for really convincing anyone.
Next time, OP, step up. Get rid of that question mark in your topic title, and just say it up front. It won't make you any more correct or right, but it'll certainly put a little bit more punch behind how you go about failing to prove it.
Sorry, I'm just between more important things and felt like writing something that just doesn't matter, where I can use the same handful of favourite sesquipedaliæ and not feel like I've let anyone down but myself. ^_^
wall of text to say Im a fan Boi?
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The takeaway being that if a player is hyped, buys a supporter pack, and then is disappointed by the league, that's fine. They monetized them. See you next legaue.
That is 100% their business model. Which is why they focus on the hype, wheel Chris out for a softball stream, and then peddle their supporter packs. I got suckered this time, again, but it will be the last time. They fully count on idiots like me who buy the hype, and end up with pure disappointment every time. I quit by week 3 because leveling and regearing is to time intensive it isn't worth doing again. They made their money, and didn't have to support the player past the sale of the MTX.
this is why after I bought a Sup pack for Lake then that debacle i will never buy a single pack again nor any cosmetics.
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Foreverhappychan wrote:
I don't understand why people torpedo their own arguments with untenable claims. And even then, if we ignore that only GGG themselves possess the data to really make any 'objective' statements about PoE's performance as a product (give or take the yearly statements that even then don't show the whole picture), what do we mean by 'worst'? 'Worst performing' seems to be the OP's thrust, but then they naturally conflate that with 'worst experience', which would be logical if we ignored that PoE is addictive as all fuck and addictive behaviour defenestrates logic with spectacular yeetability.
Wait, no, yes I do understand why they do it -- because people rarely argue against an opinion, a subjective take, that declares itself to be such. Where's the fun in that? Like, that's just your opinion, man. Well, yes, it is. I just said it was. Huh...so how about the weather eh?
So it's either torpedo one's own argument by hyperbolising the shit out of it to get clicks/responses, OR torpedo any chances of it getting much traction by stating up front that you might, in fact, actually...be fucking wrong.
Which, in case I haven't made abundantly clear, the OP is. I mean, kudos for framing the title as a question, but no one who clicked on it was expecting anything but proof that, as far as the OP is concerned, it was never a question in the first place. A gentle bait and switch, but a bait and switch nonetheless. Framed as a question, argued as a fact. Do Not Try This In Situations Where Being Right Actually Matters, Kids. Great for online tabloid journalism, terrible for really convincing anyone.
Next time, OP, step up. Get rid of that question mark in your topic title, and just say it up front. It won't make you any more correct or right, but it'll certainly put a little bit more punch behind how you go about failing to prove it.
Sorry, I'm just between more important things and felt like writing something that just doesn't matter, where I can use the same handful of favourite sesquipedaliæ and not feel like I've let anyone down but myself. ^_^
wall of text to say Im a fan Boi?
New around here, are ya? :)
Nope, not by that join date. Just don't know who I am. Fair enough.
I was one of GGG's biggest voluntary supporters, until I asked them to delete my main account for a number of reasons, the big one being I couldn't stomach the idea of owning anything I'd paid for that eventually went towards a Chinese Megacorp. Another was I could no longer maintain the dual stance of being a visibly massive supporter AND a hyper-critical element on this forum. I've probably written some of the most 'comprehensive' feedback posts regarding the game's shortcomings (especially in terms of melee and AoE), although usually it's more me getting the ball rolling before other, smarter people come along and really justify the discussion.
I think Path of Exile '2' is a sham. I think GGG should stop being greedy and put some of that money towards making a real sequel, a real new game, even though it'd piss off a bunch of supporters who could no longer access their mtxes. F2P Games as Service are a trap, as much for the developers as the players.
I think Diablo IV is going to make or break Path of Exile as the 'top' Game As Service ARPG, although I don't doubt committed Exiles can't see past their own addictions to realise what a serious threat the now imminent spiritual successor to Diablo II really is.
I think Exilecon is silly -- forcing a game with mostly American and European players to pay all that money to fly to New Zealand for one single game. I barely live a few hours away and I STILL wouldn't go. I think GGG sold out and I think PoE is outdated and stale. And I'm probably one of the few people here who's had the chance to say this to Chris' face.
I am bragging, of course, but I'm also pointing out how utterly ludicrous it is to call me a 'fan boi'. So...don't do that. Again.
There, wall to text to say no ur wrong. You're welcome. Go in peace, Exile.
If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Jan 5, 2023, 9:17:17 AM
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Posted byForeverhappychan#4626on Jan 5, 2023, 9:06:25 AMAlpha Member
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Just looking at the steam charts and boy is this league not received well.
Looking at the graph it is immediately visible that the loss of players right after launch is exceptional. I haven't checked all leagues so far, but compared to the past 10 no other league has alienated so many players in such a short time. Never before have so many players quit on day 1 of the league. Although the graph doesn't show all the details obviously, I think it is safe to say that this is objectively the worst league mechanic of all times.
It is also interesting to see how much potential this game has. The amount of players returning to a new league is impressive, yet many soon get bored by the game and vanish, until the next league hits.
And your point would be what exactly? I see threads like this every league, and you look like someone whos opinion is based on charts and other peoples opinion. You have a lvl 41 character (correct me if im wrong), and you already know that this is the worst league mechanic of all times? How is that possible?
Even I took a week break, altough this is my favorite league so far. Got my character to lvl 100 for the first time. I know it's not a big deal these days but for me it was.
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Posted byKalithas#5816on Jan 5, 2023, 9:11:19 AM
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PoEDB keeps track of steam player numbers for each league; since they're only monitoring one game, keeping the daily numbers for the game's lifespan isn't nearly as much of a toll on them as it is for SteamDB.
https://poedb.tw/us/League#LeagueChart
Thx for the link, this is really interesting data.
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You have a lvl 41 character (correct me if im wrong), and you already know that this is the worst league mechanic of all times? How is that possible?
I have professional level knowledge about games and can therefore easily tell if a specific mechanic is so flawed that it will not be accepted. Also it helps if literally all my POE friends quit on day one because the mechanic is shit. And then I am playing POE since beta, so I don't just have a lvl 41 char. ;)
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what do we mean by 'worst'?
"Worst" is always in terms of players. And it is interesting to know what kind of mechanics people enjoy and what they do not like. Not only for people like me who analyze games in general, but also for GGG to figure out how to actually make money with this game.
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Posted bytwothe#4298on Jan 5, 2023, 9:20:53 AM
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You have a lvl 41 character (correct me if im wrong), and you already know that this is the worst league mechanic of all times? How is that possible?
I have professional level knowledge about games and can therefore easily tell if a specific mechanic is so flawed that it will not be accepted. Also it helps if literally all my POE friends quit on day one because the mechanic is shit. And then I am playing POE since beta, so I don't just have a lvl 41 char. ;)
Okay, you lost the tiny little credibility you had.
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Posted byKalithas#5816on Jan 5, 2023, 9:31:06 AM
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Okay, you lost the tiny little credibility you had.
Why? Because you cannot imagine that people exist that professionally work on games? Yeah, we all know games are not designed by professionals, GGG is a great example. :D
According to the PoEDB Sanctum is actually the 2nd worst league, only subpassed by Expedition, which lost even more players in the 1st week.
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Posted bytwothe#4298on Jan 5, 2023, 9:34:31 AM
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Its hard to say but league feels crap, game feels good. Im completely puzzled by ggg choice of action. And i dont mean league mechanic itself, which is to me just para pre nerf heit crap but overeall - its firs time i remember some archetypes d be favored as much.
Like literally, clear your mind out of fanboism or hate and try two builds. Meele and minion/totem - surprised which is better?
About of retention of myself - im tired of this cycle and for sure ill try next league and anotherbut im playing less and less without any hope. Cant afford to have full time job named poe.
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Posted byfobosollo#6026on Jan 5, 2023, 9:35:02 AM
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Kalithas wrote:
Okay, you lost the tiny little credibility you had.
Why? Because you cannot imagine that people exist that professionally work on games? Yeah, we all know games are not designed by professionals, GGG is a great example. :D
According to the PoEDB Sanctum is actually the 2nd worst league, only subpassed by Expedition, which lost even more players in the 1st week.
If you professionally work on games, let's hope we can rate those one day.
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Posted byKalithas#5816on Jan 5, 2023, 10:01:25 AM
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