Minions are dead, crafting is nerfed yet again, Divine apocalypse, but the worst part is...

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SunL4D2 wrote:

GGG removed Hyrri's Demise and Dex Stacking Ballista was on the list of builds I want to play. ._.

Most Fated uniques will be deleted in 3.19. Which ones you gonna miss the most?

Stat stackers suck, str & armour stackers esp, tho infinite totems by dex? bound to be nerfed.

Just looked at Hyrri's Demise, look another stat stacker weapon. While were at it DELETE DREAMFEATHER FOREVER!!

Stat stackers are LAME. They are always 10% of dps builds hitting lame numbers for poe ninja, always stat stackers, so they should always be nerfed.

Yet ggg hasn't yet, which dev is playing stat stacker builds, someone is. So obvious they need nerfs the whole theme of items. 20 stat stacker items & 3 stat stacker ascendaries, nerf them all. Prefer deleting them tbh.

& minions? *Watches some elitist necro run noobs through story without pushing a single button* Ye auto bombers be it minions or skills, should be reworked to active gems or hybrid active gems anyways. No more autobombers, nerf them too.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

Most ironic part is minions were never OP. They were just decent (just decent, nothing more) on budget. People confuse archetype having viable decent build (skelle mages) with necro being OP lmao.

Honestly, it's just hilarious that they kill necro out of the blue. I am not gonna miss it. Here just for the memes and educating people.

1) Minions will be as popular as previous leagues or more.
2) Minions were the best viable Uber boss killers last league and could literally kill Sirus in 2 seconds.
3) Almost all other classes got a flat nerf while minions are buffed for some types.

And let's not forget that minions allow you to ignore boss mechanics while being literally the only class which can just watch Netflix while playing and still clear the map faster than most other classes.

Not sure if troll post, but wrong. Everything.


Btw minions were garbanzo EVEN before nerfs.

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anti4z500 wrote:

i dont get it why ppl talk that minions was not op or even strong. like i played minion build and it was most op build i ever played. when you just run maps and everything just vaporizes and bosses dont have time to even spawn properly before dieing. whats not op about that ? but to be fair its dam expensive so not all get to that point but still

You crushed white maps on overgeared character and now think minions are OP? Or you dreamed it?

Minions don't deal this much damage. Look at my VSS Char - literally best minion build. Glacier boss still has time to jump around. Let alone removing him as soon as he spawns.

Again, minions are only good at being decent on budget. Other char would have 3-4 times more damage and better defences on same budget.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

GGG removed Hyrri's Demise and Dex Stacking Ballista was on the list of builds I want to play. ._.

Most Fated uniques will be deleted in 3.19. Which ones you gonna miss the most?

Stat stackers suck, str & armour stackers esp, tho infinite totems by dex? bound to be nerfed.

Just looked at Hyrri's Demise, look another stat stacker weapon. While were at it DELETE DREAMFEATHER FOREVER!!

Stat stackers are LAME. They are always 10% of dps builds hitting lame numbers for poe ninja, always stat stackers, so they should always be nerfed.

Yet ggg hasn't yet, which dev is playing stat stacker builds, someone is. So obvious they need nerfs the whole theme of items. 20 stat stacker items & 3 stat stacker ascendaries, nerf them all. Prefer deleting them tbh.

& minions? *Watches some elitist necro run noobs through story without pushing a single button* Ye auto bombers be it minions or skills, should be reworked to active gems or hybrid active gems anyways. No more autobombers, nerf them too.

I disagree. Stat stackers are one of the coolest builds around. What about them you found lmae? Strange take. You just arbitrarily declare that some archetype sucks.

What he finds lame is his basis for everything is where it ranks on poe ninja, a website he isn't on nor understands.

Holy Relics got a significant damage effectiveness buff and this was already a pretty good build. But it's not a traditional minion build, this one plays like a CoC character, with cyclone as main attack (and you have to calculate correct attack speed, as with any other CoC build)

I will leaguestart Holy Relics. Softcore trade league, goal is to get geofri's crest asap and then farm currency to craft a 6l staff - this requires metacrafting so it's a little expensive. I played this build in Ultimatum as a giant noob (thus with very little currency) and it was easily doing tier16 maps and not dying to ultimatum trials in those.

Idk what ascendancy to pick tho. Maybe Ascendant, picking Necromancer + Witch nodes and then Guardian? Idk.

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Marinxar wrote:

I thought minions was dead, but after patch notes, it is clear they are actually better.

You will be surprised that unlike before, you won't see RF and Seismic Traps, and DD as the only top tier builds this league. You might actually see for the first time in a long time, some Summoner skills in the top 10 builds. Stone Golems, SRS, Animate Weapon.., etc are going to be really strong and end game viable for a change.

People always checked after the first week or so, and cried because lot of people league start with minion builds. Just because it was so easy and low investment. You could easily run yellow maps with pickup rares...., but for most of the builds, thats how good it got. As you maxed out the tree by then, and had no way of scaling anymore.

Now we can scale that shit... So hold your bear on 'minions is dead' .

trolling?

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KopaKabana wrote:

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Marinxar wrote:

I thought minions was dead, but after patch notes, it is clear they are actually better.

You will be surprised that unlike before, you won't see RF and Seismic Traps, and DD as the only top tier builds this league. You might actually see for the first time in a long time, some Summoner skills in the top 10 builds. Stone Golems, SRS, Animate Weapon.., etc are going to be really strong and end game viable for a change.

People always checked after the first week or so, and cried because lot of people league start with minion builds. Just because it was so easy and low investment. You could easily run yellow maps with pickup rares...., but for most of the builds, thats how good it got. As you maxed out the tree by then, and had no way of scaling anymore.

Now we can scale that shit... So hold your bear on 'minions is dead' .

trolling?

No...obviously just less vulnerable to unfounded mass hysteria.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

& minions? *Watches some elitist necro run noobs through story without pushing a single button* Ye auto bombers be it minions or skills, should be reworked to active gems or hybrid active gems anyways. No more autobombers, nerf them too.

Ah yes, cause running AND pressing RMB makes a big difference. The game is just SO much more active when you are spamming your movement skill AND your dmg skill.

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anti4z500 wrote:

i dont get it why ppl talk that minions was not op or even strong. like i played minion build and it was most op build i ever played. when you just run maps and everything just vaporizes and bosses dont have time to even spawn properly before dieing. whats not op about that ? but to be fair its dam expensive so not all get to that point but still

Well, the problem is that there are numerous other build types that are even faster than minions.

minions were good because the gearing process for them was comparatively simplistic and different from other builds.

And I think this is something to consider when saying if minion builds are dead.

GGG seems to be removing critical aspects about minion builds that differentiated them from other builds.

The interactions with EE was fun an novel. they removed it

The fact that minions got a ton out of individual charges was fun an novel. they are removing it.

Minion crit was a somewhat obtuse system that had flavorful quirks. Now its being made similar to every other crit system where we have to stack crit on passive nodes and gear. that is less interesting.

I don't know about the rest of you but i haven't really liked hows stupidly complicated the itemization has gotten in this game. you have so many mods behind specific pieces of content. Its why Og harvest felt so damn good since you could cut through all the bullshit.

By that same token I like how summoner itemization wasn't this ridiculous spider web of shit I had to remember.

I don't know I kinda distanced myself from the game a while ago due to the many fundamental shifts happening recently. Stuff like this makes me want to continue waiting on the sidelines until they get their shit sorted.