Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - Minions are dead, crafting is nerfed yet again, Divine apocalypse, but the worst part is... - Forum

" jsuslak313 wrote: it is mindblowing how people can read the patch notes and not connect the dots.... minions have been OBLITERATED. In multiple ways, from multiple directions. All these people screaming that's not true seem to have just looked at the straight skillgme "buff". Sure, certain minions (less popular for a reason...) were "buffed" but ONLY in their own gem. Besides that, power was nerfed all over the place, and not by a small amount...charge change alone cut easily 30% (if not more) minion power. Tree changes cut even more, necromancer gut cut even more, bone ring/shield is a blanket NERF because they will be utterly essential to achieve any kind of damage numbers and will completely gut survivability. Minions were OP BECAUSE the investment into a minion build was astronomical. Gear was ridiculously expensive, but also popular to craft. This gives the non-minion playerbase a false sense of "power" in minions. Minions SCALED very well, but the actual minion build itself was very difficult and expensive to craft. Now it is borderline impossible. If my minion dps is so supremely gutted that I now need to sit in front of enemies for significanty longer, while also having my own defenses gutted....i just can't see the silver lining. Lets not forget that even before all of these changes, minion damage and life was gutted to the point where it's incredibly difficult to keep them alive in hard content even with god-tier gear. All of this is important for people to understand. On top of this I would simply add that it always looked like end game uber minion builds were super OP but they actually weren't. While you could consider Skellie Mages builds to be able to achieve "S-Tier" the rest of us non skelly people have been slogging around in A/B Tiers. I have multiple mirrors worth of currency into my Carrion Golemancer on standard and I would consider it A-Tier at best, though I play it like a B-Tier because I don't want to actually have to try, it's a video game I want to enjoy it lazily. That's just my style and that's why I appreciate builds like minion builds because they allow me to experience most content without having to convert my gaming style into "This is work now, you must work and get RSI to succeed!" Anyway, I have like $100+ into minion cosmetics, so these changes are infuriating to me because it looks like I'll straight up not even be playing my golemancer anymore. What a waste. Back to ward loop walking simulator I guess.	Posted by SanitaryNapkin#4202 on Aug 13, 2022, 9:55:52 PM Quote this Post
" Aynix wrote: Whoever has more than 2 braincells and can think for themselves instead copying what reddit says knows minions are actually in better spot this league than last league. Power charges lost 480% crit chance. Frenzy charges lost 33% attack and cast speed. Minion crit mastery was removed, split up, and placed in a large passive cluster, making it 100% further crit chance being removed or sacrificing important defense passives. Multiple skill gems had their stats nerfed. Unnatural Strength was gutted and put into a helmet as a mod. And all we got to see were some terrible rolls on a bone ring as reassurance. But please, by all means, tell us how minions are somehow in a better spot this league than the one before. PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds. Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build! And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley Last edited by Pizzarugi#6258 on Aug 13, 2022, 9:58:54 PM	Posted by Pizzarugi#6258 on Aug 13, 2022, 9:57:03 PM Quote this Post
" Kiss_Me_Quick wrote: " Clownkrieger wrote: Aint phantasms, SRS and golems actually buffed? Yup. Stone Golems are real good now. Skeletons and Spectres will still do all Uber bosses on bot mode player inputs. Weren't zombies the things that people used for bossing to do big single target dmg, or am I thinking of something else? Is it skellies??? Sorry Idk crap all about minions and never played the build(s) all I know is they were really good. Sounds of it now the consensus seems to be minion builds are now bad, unless you have ridiculous amount of currency. I have zombie MTX I keep meaning to use but tbh if zombies suck(more now) I'll prob not even consider.	Posted by 009Status#6939 on Aug 13, 2022, 10:40:31 PM Quote this Post
Spoiler " Aynix wrote: " roundishcap wrote: Even with specific numerical buffs to some minions, the most popular ones got gutted by like 50%. They changed too much to kill the qol minion builds had. They used to have a lot of freedom when it came to gear. Now enjoy crafting hell. Absolution lost minion aoe wheel for a really bad crit one. But can make do with the mastery. All minions lost like 20% life and damage Minion unique changes mostly unremarkable (save like clayshaper for pure golem builds). Like the sky hasn't fallen, just the bridge over the river. " Aynix wrote: I give it max 3 days of the league for the new builds/guides to appear and prove you wrong. I mean sure, maybe. I think getting the same survivability and damage summoners has before is going to need very busted gear. Like high budget items that ggg will delete in the future. The loss of the rmr mastery and the blessing really hits ultra high end dps setups generally. But those kind of minion builds do like 20 million dps, so now they probably do 10-12ish, lose suppression and like 6-10k armor/evasion depending on how busted their clusters are. Maybe they lose a huge chunk of life as well to get qol minion rolls. Not dead but definitely lost a lot. The crafting on minion gear is going to suck, so many ways to brick every item. League starting and trading might be weird with each minion archetype needing really different kinds of stats. I still expect most people to tabula for a long time. Last edited by roundishcap#0649 on Aug 14, 2022, 1:20:32 AM	Posted by roundishcap#0649 on Aug 14, 2022, 1:19:22 AM Quote this Post
I thought minions was dead, but after patch notes, it is clear they are actually better. You will be surprised that unlike before, you won't see RF and Seismic Traps, and DD as the only top tier builds this league. You might actually see for the first time in a long time, some Summoner skills in the top 10 builds. Stone Golems, SRS, Animate Weapon.., etc are going to be really strong and end game viable for a change. People always checked after the first week or so, and cried because lot of people league start with minion builds. Just because it was so easy and low investment. You could easily run yellow maps with pickup rares...., but for most of the builds, thats how good it got. As you maxed out the tree by then, and had no way of scaling anymore. Now we can scale that shit... So hold your bear on 'minions is dead' . "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. " ~ Hunter S Thompson ~	Posted by Marinxar#3048 on Aug 14, 2022, 2:44:51 AM Quote this Post
-Most of the mods on items could be found before : move speed could be found, minion damage could be found -players could already invest in Minion move speed with abyss jewels So about the itemization, all I see is it is easier for low level not end-game. -all minions lost a lot of life meaning all those nice help at low level will not help much when the minion get 1 shot by AOE from mobs and bosses. Because they lost ton of life build diversity of Minions got erased, even MI minions other than srs are dead. Phantasm buff 20% more damage is nice but in end-game you needed plenty of auras and curses and mark to make them strong, with the change to mana reservation and ass mark this is like 40% less damage so in fact they are weaker. +2 level being gone on tree mean very expensive helm for everyone, so in fact you ll need to spend more ex on your gear than before to get the same damage at best than pre-patch and your minion will be 40% less tanky. Divine nerf mean minion hubris jewel for end-game players is dead unless very rich player. This can be a 50% damage nerf for MI build at end-game. Forum pvp https://www.instagram.com/critterspencils/ Last edited by lolozori#1147 on Aug 14, 2022, 3:25:07 AM	Posted by lolozori#1147 on Aug 14, 2022, 3:22:49 AM Quote this Post
I suppose mentioning minions triggered people who don't understand changes and derailed discussion from GGG removing a tons of uniques to minions, but let's adress it I suppose. " shadowthedead wrote: Minions are dead LOL softcore QQing once again " u4UCn5cmk7tFdghP wrote: " shadowthedead wrote: Minions are dead LOL softcore QQing once again Minions are dead. I can not think of any that is alive in non-machine sense, maybe the harbinger of time? So OP is mostly right again. Rest in peace zombos, skelekeks, golums... I know that the "undead" argument is tempting but i'll remind you that your lawn mover is not alive, neither is your computer(yet) and it does things anyway. " shadowthedead wrote: They're not dead, they're just not OP as they were Players will need to use their brain for once and tinker to make it strong " Draegnarrr wrote: ^ I agree with this pretty harshly stated comment frankly, and i get a little irritated by the general wailings of doom. They should make you sign a waiver, if you only follow builds created by other people you can't complain about balance changes because you never interacted with that balance to begin with :p Wait a week (or farm with an acceptable character) and build creators will fix all your problems, same as always. " leto2626 wrote: Everything that's not meta is essentially dead, right? Until Ghazzy makes a 4 billion DPS minion build, then all the copy pasta people who never understood how anything works in the game are shouting 'minions are OP !' Minions will always be OP, as they basically play the game for you, it is in essence something you almost can't balance and no doubt it already caused a lot of PoE devs headaches if not migraines. Everything is so dead I play the full three months on completely unviable, unplayable builds, year after year. At least according to short attention span internet people that seem to be literally dominating every medium available. " Pizzarugi wrote: " shadowthedead wrote: They're not dead, they're just not OP as they were Players will need to use their brain for once and tinker to make it strong The only OP summoner was mage skeletons. Zombies were a joke, SRS is a joke, Phantasms are a joke, nobody cared about Spectres or AG outside of utility, Reaper was always worse than the minions you weren't allowed to use with it, skeleton warriors and archers haven't been viable since EE got gutted and moved along with the aura cluster jewel removal, never heard of any good builds using Dominating Blow or Absolution. Add to the difficulty of Archnemesis with GGG just shoehorning that into the game, it's pushed every one of these further down in viability, leaving mage skeletons the only ones worth using. And instead of doing the sensible thing by nerfing them, GGG decided to nuke the entire archetype by removing 580% crit chance, 33% attack and cast speed, and finally hit most minions that weren't even skeletons with stat nerfs to their respective gems. And if that wasn't a kick in the balls, now the build's gonna be ungodly expensive to get off the ground, so say goodbye to league starter options. Even if you could get high rolls on the new bone rings and shields, there's no chance in hell you're going to be able to make back the huge amount of crit and attack/cast speed lost. So please, tell me how summoners are OP and not dead. " Marinxar wrote: I thought minions was dead, but after patch notes, it is clear they are actually better. You will be surprised that unlike before, you won't see RF and Seismic Traps, and DD as the only top tier builds this league. You might actually see for the first time in a long time, some Summoner skills in the top 10 builds. Stone Golems, SRS, Animate Weapon.., etc are going to be really strong and end game viable for a change. People always checked after the first week or so, and cried because lot of people league start with minion builds. Just because it was so easy and low investment. You could easily run yellow maps with pickup rares...., but for most of the builds, thats how good it got. As you maxed out the tree by then, and had no way of scaling anymore. Now we can scale that shit... So hold your bear on 'minions is dead' . Most ironic part is minions were never OP. They were just decent (just decent, nothing more) on budget. People confuse archetype having viable decent build (skelle mages) with necro being OP lmao. Honestly, it's just hilarious that they kill necro out of the blue. I am not gonna miss it. Here just for the memes and educating people. " Aynix wrote: [Removed by Support] [Removed by Support] ... Sheesh, support is quick. xD My elegant speech was removed too, oh well. Last edited by SunL4D2#6224 on Aug 14, 2022, 5:24:03 AM	Posted by SunL4D2#6224 on Aug 14, 2022, 5:13:00 AM Quote this Post
" SunL4D2 wrote: Most ironic part is minions were never OP. They were just decent (just decent, nothing more) on budget. People confuse archetype having viable decent build (skelle mages) with necro being OP lmao. Honestly, it's just hilarious that they kill necro out of the blue. I am not gonna miss it. Here just for the memes and educating people. 1) Minions will be as popular as previous leagues or more. 2) Minions were the best viable Uber boss killers last league and could literally kill Sirus in 2 seconds. 3) Almost all other classes got a flat nerf while minions are buffed for some types. And let's not forget that minions allow you to ignore boss mechanics while being literally the only class which can just watch Netflix while playing and still clear the map faster than most other classes. Uploaded an awesome Exsanguinate Freeze Explosion build on the forums - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3508506	Posted by Kiss_Me_Quick#4554 on Aug 14, 2022, 5:37:22 AM Quote this Post
Its OP by GGG's frame of reference which is the only one that counts, they dislike power for cheap they always have. Players might look and be like this is a mid tier performer compared to just how badly I can flex with tornado shot and +11 arrows for example, but GGG don't care about that they care about how far you can get on 5ex (divines?). Its alot easier for me to tolerate because I don't have the overhead comparison you have SunL4D2, almost every "better performing" build doesn't work on HC, their nerfs usually make sense on HC because what is effective on a budget is what is most played and most targeted.	Posted by Draegnarrr#2823 on Aug 14, 2022, 5:41:02 AM Quote this Post
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