So... +2 cleave radius wasn't a joke?

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Phrazz wrote:

I seriously do not know what's worse: The state of melee, or the fact that GGG aren't aware of the state of melee. I'm embarrassed to say that it pissed me real off seeing Chris being totally clueless when asked about melee, and ZiggyD just laughing it off as a non-issue.

I hardly believe that GGG aren't aware of the melee current state. There is a lot of people on forums asking for melee buffs for a long time now. Even if you have only one man in your team who's reading feedback, you can't miss these posts and should probably check - is there really a problem. What GGG basically tells by there decisions - we don't give a damn for what you feel. Take our vision of game or leave it. And I suffered for a while now, because I used to like this game very much. But now I think may be it's time to leave, if you so badly want me to do it.

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Phrazz wrote:

I seriously do not know what's worse: The state of melee, or the fact that GGG aren't aware of the state of melee. I'm embarrassed to say that it pissed me real off seeing Chris being totally clueless when asked about melee, and ZiggyD just laughing it off as a non-issue.

Yeah, that is irritating. I'm inclined to give him a little bit of a pass because he's been a bit disconnected and aloof about the game for quite a while at this point. I think his role doesn't give him much chance to actually be well connected to the community and the mood. I'm more inclined to wonder why that isn't being reported up to him. Or maybe they are looking at some skewed stats that make them think it's okay when it isn't. Either way, I do think he's guessing half the time and looking off screen for answers because of his role.

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Nubatron wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

I seriously do not know what's worse: The state of melee, or the fact that GGG aren't aware of the state of melee. I'm embarrassed to say that it pissed me real off seeing Chris being totally clueless when asked about melee, and ZiggyD just laughing it off as a non-issue.

Yeah, that is irritating. I'm inclined to give him a little bit of a pass because he's been a bit disconnected and aloof about the game for quite a while at this point. I think his role doesn't give him much chance to actually be well connected to the community and the mood. I'm more inclined to wonder why that isn't being reported up to him. Or maybe they are looking at some skewed stats that make them think it's okay when it isn't. Either way, I do think he's guessing half the time and looking off screen for answers because of his role.

He did turn to his lead Dev when Ziggy asked and it confirmed this "wait what's wrong with melee?" Situation. "I might bring it up in a dev meeting?" Really?

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Phrazz wrote:

I seriously do not know what's worse: The state of melee, or the fact that GGG aren't aware of the state of melee. I'm embarrassed to say that it pissed me real off seeing Chris being totally clueless when asked about melee, and ZiggyD just laughing it off as a non-issue.

Nothing to be embarrassed about. I'm still peeved at the standard economy ex/div impact. This one hit some players so. freaking. hard.

Regarding melee, I really expected some stuff. Spells kinda got a bump because +2/+2 corruptions can now be 6l later with scourge currency.

Weird. Like how hard is it.

Just drop another mirror and you're good :p

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DarthSki44 wrote:

He did turn to his lead Dev when Ziggy asked and it confirmed this "wait what's wrong with melee?" Situation. "I might bring it up in a dev meeting?" Really?

I mean, a close to united community thinks melee needs buffs, both when it comes to numbers and mechanics, and GGG are so disconnected on this matter. Hell, a huge number of the community views melee as a meme, and is so far gone that they don't care about it anymore. I know Chris doesn't like reading statistics regarding his own game, but he really should start.

I LOVE most of the changes this league. Even like most of the nerfs. But the lack of... "Floor raising" the last 10 leagues is getting old real quick.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Chris and the rest apparently thought it would be a decent buff according to what he said in the interview afterwards. We should all get accustomed to the fact that GGG thinks melee is in a good place. He said he would bring it up with the devs but my expectations are way below zero.

Are you talking about the ZiggyD interview? Because if so this is some mad fake news you're spreading.

Chris himself said he didn't even know about the buff until HE read the patch notes. No where was it stated they "thought it would be a decent buff".

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Phrazz wrote:

I seriously do not know what's worse: The state of melee, or the fact that GGG aren't aware of the state of melee. I'm embarrassed to say that it pissed me real off seeing Chris being totally clueless when asked about melee, and ZiggyD just laughing it off as a non-issue.

Yeah, after people spamming about melee in the comments sections for 10+ minutes ZiggyD brings melee up and says that he doesn't understand what the problem is. Why is ZiggyD interviewing Chris? He doesn't seem very active in POE going by his post history on Youtube.



Well, Chris said that he will bring up melee in discussions for 3.20. lol

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Bleu42 wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Chris and the rest apparently thought it would be a decent buff according to what he said in the interview afterwards. We should all get accustomed to the fact that GGG thinks melee is in a good place. He said he would bring it up with the devs but my expectations are way below zero.

Are you talking about the ZiggyD interview? Because if so this is some mad fake news you're spreading.

Chris himself said he didn't even know about the buff until HE read the patch notes. No where was it stated they "thought it would be a decent buff".

Then maybe pay some attention when watching the video before making [Removed by Support] After he said he read it in the patch notes he literally said: "Radius has impact right, it didn't sound bad to me" He didn't say literally that he thought it's a decent buff but it's hard to interprete the statement otherwise. He clearly didn't see anything wrong with it.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Then maybe pay some attention when watching the video before making [Removed by Support] After he said he read it in the patch notes he literally said: "Radius has impact right, it didn't sound bad to me" He didn't say literally that he thought it's a decent buff but it's hard to interprete the statement otherwise. He clearly didn't see anything wrong with it.

Chris doesn't follow the balance state of the game. Unless somebody comes up to him and voice concern about balance Chris will assume everything is good.

He knows his devs make balance passes often so if something is wrong they would have adressed it already.

So him seeing a +2 range to cleave he just assume the damage if good and it just needed better aoe clear. ZiggyD coming up with a "meme" remark about cleave through off Chris.

The problem is not that melee is bad, it's that nobody at GGG voiced concerns at melee problems to Chris even with the months of people talking about it on reddit/forums. Melee would probably have be buffed a long time ago if the feedback actually reached Chris.

I'm pretty happy Ziggy raised it at all, chat were going nuts about it trying to get it highlighted to Chris and frankly I think that mission was accomplished. You can't really expect Ziggy to roast him he is there as part of a press release not to rock the boat that is what the baeclast section was for in previous releases (did they do it this time?)

I'm pretty confident it will get looked at now as it was made clear a sizeable chunk of the community had become convinced melee changes were on the table and were excited for such.