So... +2 cleave radius wasn't a joke?

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Izrakhan wrote:

It's difficult to know without the full listing of unique changes. For all we know some of the unique melee weapons and the wide swing of pdps on weapons with the new league might handle all the melee problems.

It's odd to me though. I think they just didn't understand what the problem with melee was. The difficult time melee has with gear being so reliant and the supports and skills being baseline garbage tier.

This is why everyone went necro and traps the past two leagues. Those builds did not have the strict gear requirements. Nobody wants to play a game where they have to grind out gear for 2-3 weeks before doing anything remarkable. Not on a 3 month cadence like we have.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Chris and the rest apparently thought it would be a decent buff according to what he said in the interview afterwards. We should all get accustomed to the fact that GGG thinks melee is in a good place. He said he would bring it up with the devs but my expectations are way below zero.

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aggromagnet wrote:

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Izrakhan wrote:

It's difficult to know without the full listing of unique changes. For all we know some of the unique melee weapons and the wide swing of pdps on weapons with the new league might handle all the melee problems.

It's odd to me though. I think they just didn't understand what the problem with melee was. The difficult time melee has with gear being so reliant and the supports and skills being baseline garbage tier.

This is why everyone went necro and traps the past two leagues. Those builds did not have the strict gear requirements. Nobody wants to play a game where they have to grind out gear for 2-3 weeks before doing anything remarkable. Not on a 3 month cadence like we have.

All of the unique changes are in the patch notes. Melee weapons were effectively excluded.

Ephemeral Edge got an update and it should see some use, or at least experimenting. Nycta's Lantern got some decent changes as well, but not nearly enough to be overly useful beyond leveling (and it's more of a hybrid than straight melee).

I believe all the other "melee" weapons, and there aren't that many, that got updates are just caster/utility weapons on melee bases (Clay Shaper, Singularity, etc.).

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Phrazz wrote:

I seriously do not know what's worse: The state of melee, or the fact that GGG aren't aware of the state of melee. I'm embarrassed to say that it pissed me real off seeing Chris being totally clueless when asked about melee, and ZiggyD just laughing it off as a non-issue.