Isnt mageblood supposed to be some super rare chase item?

cards and gwynnen are responsible for a huge number of these and yes I agree i think it defeats the point.

They let people make cards though so it was always gonna be a given

I think the 175ex price tag tells a good enough story about the item. Part of me wishes poeninja data would expose different tiers of players, not just the top tier.

I don't know how it would discern between those tiers, but it might present more usable data for what is occurring at the macro level rather than the micro level (top players).

An item that is BiS for 99% of builds, nullifying all other belts, even HH is overshadowed.
I think the droprate not being "as rare" as it should be is not the real issue here.

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kenbak wrote:

An item that is BiS for 99% of builds, nullifying all other belts, even HH is overshadowed.
I think the droprate not being "as rare" as it should be is not the real issue here.

I think that speaks more to the need for more chase items. HH and Mageblood are the chase items for belt, and there are scenarios where HH is better than Mageblood. I think there should be multiple chase unique items for each slot that cost 100's of exalts. Rare items obviously fill this gap well now with some of the crazy WTF crafts that are out there.

Chase items? You mean op items people spam build for, than ruins the diversity or reason to plan for a build at all?

Like lame triple dmg staffs to limit fireball builds, dreamfeather armour stackers for 144m smite dmg limited most builds that use a 1 hand sword, mageblood wack mega resist idea since Lost Ark's release, or some other str stacking item for some slam skill op'ness.

Ye poe ninja may not be entirely accurate, tho it does a good job telling people how aweful stat stacker items are. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR ARMOUR TO DPS or STR TO DPS, delete those 2. Delete dreamfeather & nerf the hell out of str to dps items.

Don't even get me started with all the skills that make you only play 1 type of weapon genre. Regardless of a op weapon of that genre, or not. Till the devs make 2 hand weapon spectral helix, better than claw & shield meta, till then this game lacks build diversity.

Reply'ers saying " If costs a lot of ex. It should be stupidly broken & op " Ehh, not sure if people should buy their way to limit the mast majority of other builds. Sounds wrong. Chaser items for lame zoomers to abuse, probably the worst 2 features of the game.

Poe ninja being accurate or not, there better be more diverse builds on that site. Or GGG should take poe ninja down & build their own statistics for skills & items, on their own GGG related site. Than make the poll not hide accounts, so the list shows everyone's ratios of skills better than poe ninja does.

As right now, everyone wants accurate data for this. So if POE isn't good enough oh well, it's all you got. Till GGG properly polls the servers or something. Also who's to say people who are not featured on POE Ninja, aren't also mirroring those same damn builds?

So when people say, " oh that's just ninja site its not accurate ", how do you know that the limited meta isn't even worst? Maybe tons of people not listed, are also mirroring these builds? Who says its the opposite.

Theirs nothing someone is gonna tell me that will get me to believe dreamfeather or str to dps is some smart move or is needed or isn't ruining this game.

I believe I tried to get a vet to admit the medium dps lvls for all skill equality. He finally admitted 3 or 4 million is or should be the medium for all skill dps. Well when 1 skill is hitting the charts for 400k or 800k & another skill is hitting 144 million dps. Usually it's not the skills fault, it's some weapons fault. So delete the weapon. Simple.

Tho chris said he wants 1 punch man items as a reward for endgame or something I don't agree with. Along the lines of, " If they went to endgame, they deserve a item that kills everything with 1 hit ". & that just sounds so lame.

What is this a single player game? Where party fair'ness means nothing. Barely even a medium dps marker between skills. Practically zero medium. What was the GGG Vision board for op items that ruin the medium dps marker for all skills? " Hey guys, how about we have half our skills do less than 10m dps & the other half of skills hits over 10m to 200m with stat stacker items. My 8 y/o daughter would be able to plan more fairness of skill equality than that strategy.

Seems like POE streamers are to blame for these items as well, streamers who don't really take the population of poe beyond 80k players, since their not well rounded pc gamer streamers. So why even listen to their item nerd ideas? Also doesn't most of the player retention drop at the first 30% of the game, why even bother with endgame streamers as much. Not that the endgame streamers are doing anything worthwhile for balance anyways.

Game is about build diversity, not chaser items. Game is about huge skill tree optimization, not limited weapon genre's per meta skill. & then the game should be about skill tree advancements patches & lvl 120 max lvl potential, instead of stacker stat items. Sheesh. POE barely even has set items, or buffs from sets, its mostly just invest all this stat, to gain this benefit. & then the benefit makes 1 skill boosted to infinity, which is dumb.

Ye mageblood sucks & everyone who uses it. Was obvious 3 months ago when Lost Ark was released, that Mageblood was another gimped item for cheese chasers. Not a fan of any of the cheese items. More build diversity for POE ninja as well. If the 1%'ers aren't building for diversity, than get rid of all the streamers & rebuild your game for the moderate flexible player.

Also stat stacking isn't stategy, it's a no brainer link path. Not even hybrid arrangement. Get outta town stat stackers, leave this game forever. Same goes for zoomers, yall ruin the party experience entirely.

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That was a pretty long winded way of saying you dont agree with their design decisions and approach to "chase" items.

If you're just using poeninja, I'm surprised the number isn't higher. This in no way represents the entire playerbase lol.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

Chase items? You mean op items people spam build for, than ruins the diversity or reason to plan for a build at all?

Nope, that's not how I would define chase items at all.

I have a feeling you share DNA with a certain someone who likes to write books on this forum, but their passion was getting paid for playing. Similar style, different desired outcome.

You do realize that poeninja only shows a tiny fraction of all character right???

By end of league you are only seeing the top 98+ level chars.

Chase items don't have anything to do with diversity because most won't get them, many that do would rather fund a build than just play with one OP item.

Its good for the game, but I personally think its a little bit bad to encourage a degenerate playstyle (farming only card maps for example) because your design as the developer is by proxy causing players to reduce their own enjoyment in many cases as they attempt to optimise.

Best way to do chase items is very rare boss drops or just genuinely random, then players don't alter their playstyle outside of what they enjoy. Its not really that clear cut though as many obviously enjoy being able to specifically farm it but if it wasn't available i'm confident they would have fun farming something else :p