Why is Mathil able to do everything that is impossible according to most of the complains here?

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johnKeys wrote:

@Snorkle, my criticism in every discussion is directed at GGG's design decisions. not at you or Phrazz.
I'm just fed up and annoyed by the grind, and may have lost some of my initial enthusiasm for the game.

And to me, the grind IS the game. Without it, the game is nothing. If I'm not actively trying to progress, the character is dead/finished to me.

I DO get where you're coming from, and I DO agree that PoE is more grindy than most ARPG's. I just think it should be OK for one game to be grindy and complex, as a lot of players are here because of the grind and complexity, not despite it. But at the end of the day, we all want to change the game in a subjective direction.

It isn't a self explanatory term already but especially when professional is on the axis, if it wasn't his Job he might be able to get away with saying he plays casually but you still then have to debate the meaning of assigning Mathil to the casual basket.

For me its very simple, casual is pretty meaningless of a descriptor if Mathil is casual. You've made it so broad that it encompasses almost every player. This also turns OP's argument into a self defeating one.

Mathil does everything as a casual > everyone is casual > everything isn't impossible because most of us are already doing it.

If their point was to highlight that you can get stuff done without being a meta cuck then that is already known to anybody who actually wants to do it long enough to ignore reddit and also doesn't require any descriptions about Mathil's playtime to add to the argument.

Put simply just using the word casual weakens the argument as its an unnecessary qualifier.

Its even easier really the whole thing can just be put down as guys you can clear all the content if you play well, know a little bit of crafting and cut for damage instead of defence. It isn't as hard as whiners make it out to be.

Honestly we need a better term here like veteran or something, a term that explains that the player has significant experience, practice and skill within the environment but isn't full tryhard.

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yamface wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

Mathil and other Streamers do this for a living.
Do other Streamers min-max while Mathil isn't necessarily? sure.
but twisting this to "hey look a casual Streamer can do it! stop complaining!" is being a dick.

yea but he cycles through a new character every week. i mentioned this earlier but its not like mathil is sweaty grinding for 3 months on 1 build and snowballing on it. he plays a LOT but it's largely negated by the fact that theres a soft reset because the lifespan of his character is 24 hours or 72 hours on his starter build as he says it

also idk if theres much point in arguing about the casual thing anymore since mathil literally agrees with op, and i just dont feel like arguing with the other guy who thinks hes schooling me because he thinks im wrong about the definition of a self explanatory term.

Some Chess masters like Fast Chess, while others prefer the slower paced game.

When OP uses the term "casual", people - myself included - don't read "Mathil's style of playing Blitz PoE". they read "look! he's doing this as a hobby. a pastime. and he achieves more than you. so you suck and should git gud!"
And we all fell for this shit.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

It isn't a self explanatory term already but especially when professional is on the axis, if it wasn't his Job he might be able to get away with saying he plays casually but you still then have to debate the meaning of assigning Mathil to the casual basket.

ok, so "a casual player is a player who plays the game casually" is what im talking about when i say self explanatory term. what exactly is included in casual game activity is a different story


and draeg.. i know you know what true tryharding at this game looks like. you know what mathil is doing is nowhere close to the effort the tryhards are doing. the guy is yoloing through most of the shit hes doing

To be fair, there's a difference between "being a casual gamer" and to "play casually".

Here comes the analogy of the day:

When Max Verstappen is driving to the supermarket, he IS still a professional driver, yet he drives rather casually. Yeah, I know, a very smooth analogy. You can thank me later. Or now, I don't care.

And I think that is where OP has his mind; Mathil has the knowhow to play very efficiently, do the sickest strats and make the largest bank. He just doesn't play the game like that. Why? Maybe he doesn't find it fun. Maybe it's to be more relatable for his viewers. Who the hell knows.

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yamface wrote:

and draeg.. i know you know what true tryharding at this game looks like. you know what mathil is doing is nowhere close to the effort the tryhards are doing. the guy is yoloing through most of the shit hes doing

I do but I play the same way he does and always have but with like 1/20th the playtime :p so if he plays casually I'm super casual, which makes my friends I play with mega casual and I just think its dumb. Lewis Hamilton can't tell me he is a casual racing driver and summarising as such isn't an improvement.

Can the 2 hrs a day casuals do what Mathil does? Yes if you * next to it with a subject to 10k hours of experience with how to build, optimise, craft then boss.

I'm splitting hairs though I do understand what you mean I'd have just left out the bait and talked about what works with the yolo playstyle because there are alot of positives even if you can't clear every boss with every build.

I play the same way in HC sometimes Its not gonna work but its still fun.

@Phrazz lol for F1 analogies at the same time but I'd say MV can't drive casually when driving to the shops, he can drive without the purpose of racing but to drive casually within a frame of reference that includes the rest of us you would have to remove his experience and talents within a car. That distinction is important because its the difference between self determination in isolation and determination with reference.

To use a better fitting analogy a professional woodworker can't casually make a cabinet like a hobbyist, they have too many skills to do anything woodworking casually regardless of whether it is casual to them themselves or not. They can describe their efforts as casual however as soon as you lump them with the hobbyists its no longer relevant as their status within the group takes over when talking about the group.

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Phrazz wrote:

To be fair, there's a difference between "being a casual gamer" and to "play casually".

Here comes the analogy of the day:

When Max Verstappen is driving to the supermarket, he IS still a professional driver, yet he drives rather casually. Yeah, I know, a very smooth analogy. You can thank me later. Or now, I don't care.

And I think that is where OP has his mind; Mathil has the knowhow to play very efficiently, do the sickest strats and make the largest bank. He just doesn't play the game like that. Why? Maybe he doesn't find it fun. Maybe it's to be more relatable for his viewers. Who the hell knows.

No idea. but I have a feeling Gordon Ramsay is still "hardcore" even when he's cooking dinner for his family.

We are all giving the OP semantic loopholes and ways to mask his trollish intentions.
Pretty sure what he meant was the "classic" git gud u suck thread, this forum has seen way too many of.

I wish some threads with seriously good ideas on how to improve the game/QoL would get 24 pages...

I do popular requests... Uh, i'mma dance like I never dance, sing like I never sing, dream like I never dream, or try to, cause we've been lied to, that the sun is something we can't fly to

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Antigegner wrote:

I wish some threads with seriously good ideas on how to improve the game/QoL would get 24 pages...

Those don't give people an avenue to feel superior to someone else, so no dice.