The reason GGG doesn't really pay attention to these forums

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Aynix wrote:

I can easily reach 20M+ DPS on most melee builds with like 30 ex budget)

Do you have a POB that isn't lightning strike, cyclone or spectral helix?

I would like to play it.

By "most melee builds" do you mean more than 50% of melee skills?

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In D3 the diffrence in DMG between meta build and something else is literally in tens of thousands %. In PoE Its like 30% (sometimes not even that. I can easily reach 20M+ DPS on most melee builds with like 30 ex budget)

not true. its more like 3000% in poe(quick example Omni TS and lets say Cfever Champ/Glad/whatever the meta on that skill is today)

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Aynix wrote:

Bruh you can beat Maven with 10ex gear on Tectonic Slam, on Creamtion you need even less budget. Cobra Lash? Take any tri-ele (or dex stacking) ST build, slap Cobra Lash on it and it will be just as good (except with less single target because ST hits twice).
Chain Hook was always a meme so dont even metnion it.
You are talking like Maven is some insane challenge that is impossible to beat. Last League I literally one-shoted Maven with ~10 ex Death Wish build (and by one-shot I mean literally one hit to phase her)

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I mean, play what you want, its just a little much to pretend to be a hipster-build maker who is not bound by the meta.

But whatever, this conversation is going nowhere. Bunch of people following the meta saying "there is no meta, you can do anything with any skill".

Ok, guess you made those builds completely on your own without observing that they were strong from anyone, just happened to be all the same meta skills on the same meta builds. That makes sense.

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zakalwe55 wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

I can easily reach 20M+ DPS on most melee builds with like 30 ex budget)

Do you have a POB that isn't lightning strike, cyclone or spectral helix?

I would like to play it.

By "most melee builds" do you mean more than 50% of melee skills?

Slap Voidforge + Abyssus with any decent gear in other slots and you have ~20M DPS on pretty much every melee skill out there with like 30EX budget. Add Omni and you will reach 100M+, but that requires much bigger budget (didnt last league tho)

Here is PoB for my current Perforate Slayer
https://pastebin.com/u84vNRrc
You can change Determination to Herald of Purity if want, I preffer to have some defenses. You can also geat much better gear, the on Im currently using costs less than 15ex.

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trixxar wrote:

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BL Miner
Fleshcrafter skele mages
Seismic trapper
DI Totems
Phys skele/zombies
Kissmequicks lacerate build

Ah yes, because BL, Melee Skeletons, Divine Ire and Lacereate is oh so meta. And ofc you havent seen 15 other characters that are not even near being meta, but ofc you had to ingore them.You also ignored both builds Im playing this league. I never said I dont play "meta builds" - why wouldnt I? There are usually super fun. I said you can make most skills work on reasonable budget. But what else to expect from guy who has 4 characters in which two are EA totems.

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Aynix wrote:

Slap Voidforge + Abyssus with any decent gear in other slots and you have ~20M DPS on pretty much every melee skill out there with like 30EX budget. Add Omni and you will reach 100M+, but that requires much bigger budget (didnt last league tho)

But like this is not much viable for HC or is it?

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Aynix wrote:

Here is PoB for my current Perforate Slayer
https://pastebin.com/u84vNRrc
You can change Determination to Herald of Purity if want, I preffer to have some defenses. You can also geat much better gear, the on Im currently using costs less than 15ex.

I'm really curious how this runs red maps, because at least by the pob, it has 4.8k health, no block, abyssus, and only 27k armor. Not to mention the scuffed resistances and missing attribute requirements.

I mean, usually the problem of not meta builds isn't that they can't do damage, but that they need for it a budget the character can't farm by itself, and even with some budget, that it doesn't have functional defenses...

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Filousov wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

Slap Voidforge + Abyssus with any decent gear in other slots and you have ~20M DPS on pretty much every melee skill out there with like 30EX budget. Add Omni and you will reach 100M+, but that requires much bigger budget (didnt last league tho)

But like this is not much viable for HC or is it?

It isn't but an overwhelming number of these complaints come from SC players where these types of playstyles are available if you want them.

That being said I don't think that Abyssus is every a good rebuttal to make a build work infact i'd set it as a failure criteria. Might even go one step further, if Mathil plays it as an Abyssus Berserker it needs a substantial buff.

HC's avenues are extremely narrow sadly and most builds look fairly samey tree wise but balance will need to be significantly better before those of us in HC get more diversity as a knock-on. At least the defences buff made things more comfortable on that side.

Like I do think the problem of Abyssus in HC is that even if you can have enough armor, physical degen will melt you. That's why like noone is playing Abyssus in HC.

It requires a lot of phys reduction - 10 endurance charges to just nullify the effect.

And like another big question (for HC) is that everyone is running with 100% spell suppression. Is there really any top performing build being pure armor and whatever? Aka not using evasion and spell suppression?

If there is really not, this I'd consider a fail of design of epic proportions. :-)