The vault pass still sucks

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ciel289 wrote:

it seems that ggg is thesting the waters for more monetization options
i dont like it or rather i really despise it
however its kinda exspected from companies to make as much money as possible

What is expected from a business is to make money to stay afloat, pay their employees and gain some cash for the founders in the process. Yes that i understand.

What i don't understand is trying to find more ways to make more cash that is probably not needed just to make a bigger payout for founders / shareholders than it is necessary for the business to stay healthy.

GGG is trying to be Ubisoft / ActiBlizz/ EA and wants all the money in the world... At some point, players will not follow and stay away from the game.

At some point, if you want more money, you create a second product that is different from the first one and that users of the first one would buy...

i'm playing the game for over 10 years now and still profit from my support from the early times.

which made me wonder how they're motivating people to support who got their stash tabs and the most basic mtx already.

ggg, finally looking for other ways to finance their game than devalueing their existing mtx by throwing it after players for tip money is appreciated.

rewarding those who actually play their game should have been their strategy from the start, giving away mtx for just challenge completion has been their biggest mistake cause it leads to threads like this where spoiled players want it all for free.

and what has been spoiled cannot be unspoiled.

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Azarhiel wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

it seems that ggg is thesting the waters for more monetization options
i dont like it or rather i really despise it
however its kinda exspected from companies to make as much money as possible

What is expected from a business is to make money to stay afloat, pay their employees and gain some cash for the founders in the process. Yes that i understand.

What i don't understand is trying to find more ways to make more cash that is probably not needed just to make a bigger payout for founders / shareholders than it is necessary for the business to stay healthy.

GGG is trying to be Ubisoft / ActiBlizz/ EA and wants all the money in the world... At some point, players will not follow and stay away from the game.

At some point, if you want more money, you create a second product that is different from the first one and that users of the first one would buy...

Yep, seems like TENCENT's influence is being felt more and more at GGG

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vio wrote:

i'm playing the game for over 10 years now and still profit from my support from the early times.

which made me wonder how they're motivating people to support who got their stash tabs and the most basic mtx already.

ggg, finally looking for other ways to finance their game than devalueing their existing mtx by throwing it after players for tip money is appreciated.

rewarding those who actually play their game should have been their strategy from the start, giving away mtx for just challenge completion has been their biggest mistake cause it leads to threads like this where spoiled players want it all for free.

and what has been spoiled cannot be unspoiled.

I've never stated that it should be free, read the post before commenting, all im asking is that they'd make it a more fair and honest purchase, and not time gate it, and not making it purchasable with point for no apparent reason.
Am i really spoiled for asking of them not to exploit FOMO for profit?

and let me be clear, the lootboxes should also go, but that seems to far gone for them to change without legislation preventing them from being sold. Supporter packs also idealy, shouldnt be time gated

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ULTRALUL wrote:

I've never stated that it should be free, read the post before commenting, all im asking is that they'd make it a more fair and honest purchase, and not time gate it, and not making it purchasable with point for no apparent reason.
Am i really spoiled for asking of them not to exploit FOMO for profit?

and let me be clear, the lootboxes should also go, but that seems to far gone for them to change without legislation preventing them from being sold. Supporter packs also idealy, shouldnt be time gated

wasn't really refering to the original posts, more to the comments.

imho, time gating is needed if they wanna release the pass thingy every league. if i were responsible for ggg's marketing, i would have organised their challenge rewards in the same way as the kirac's vault pass: you get special mtx for a few bucks of support.

and the 28€ is just 3 times the tip i give on a evening meal with my wife in a good restaurant in town.

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lootboxes were a bad idea, i've been refering to hem when i wrote about "throwing stuff after players".

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for supporter packs being time gated, i changed my mind at some time and now wouldn't mind if they sold stuff from supporter packs released after their initial release.

from a programmers point of view it doesn't make sense to bloat the game with textures and items no one really uses anymore cause most of the old supporters dropped out and got "angry reddit pitchforkers".

They should do a battle pass properly it'd be a big hit, they are designed for seasonal content anyway which GGG does better than anyone and I think objective based challenges/objectives in return for effectively discounted MTX is a great way to get players to engage for slightly longer and sell passes.

The Vault pass though is a 1/10 i'm gonna say it everytime a thread turns up talking about it. Maybe they were testing the technology to make sure they could do it.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Maybe they were testing the technology to make sure they could do it.

they're testing the waters, which is very clever after the disaster with the mtx recycler.

i still don't get what's the problem with the time gating.

challenge completion mtx are time gated.
supporter packs are time gated.

the vault pass is a combination of both: get special mtx for bragging rights if you managed to complete the atlas (which is not that big of an achievement since people help you do it for a 3c tip).

if you don't like it then tell them by not spending money on it

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Fauxxx_NL wrote:

if you don't like it then tell them by not spending money on it

Already havent bought it, and have no plans to buy it before the time runs out. I am just informing other people who might be thinking about buying it, or people who in general cares about overmonetization

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vio wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Maybe they were testing the technology to make sure they could do it.

they're testing the waters, which is very clever after the disaster with the mtx recycler.

i still don't get what's the problem with the time gating.

challenge completion mtx are time gated.
supporter packs are time gated.

the vault pass is a combination of both: get special mtx for bragging rights if you managed to complete the atlas (which is not that big of an achievement since people help you do it for a 3c tip).

The problem with time gating is that it exploits FOMO to make people who are hesitating more likley to buy the pass. Time gating is soley for the benefit of GGG, while is creates stress in the players. So thats why im agaisnt it, its only there to potentially screw the players and gives no benefit towards us