Negative Feedback on the rewards of the new bosses from a long time player

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Pizzarugi wrote:

This is the 2nd time in a row the Exarch dropped me a valuable jewel. This one is around 20ex.

Let's not say the new bosses are less rewarding than the new ones. The Elder's unID ilvl85 Watcher's Eye is worth 1ex by comparison, not accounting for cost to fight them compared to it being free for the new bosses.

And why are these jewels so expensive? Because they are incredibly rare. You being lucky doesn't count.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

This is the 2nd time in a row the Exarch dropped me a valuable jewel. This one is around 20ex.

Let's not say the new bosses are less rewarding than the new ones. The Elder's unID ilvl85 Watcher's Eye is worth 1ex by comparison, not accounting for cost to fight them compared to it being free for the new bosses.

And why are these jewels so expensive? Because they are incredibly rare. You being lucky doesn't count.

The argument is that the new bosses are less rewarding than the new ones. I proved them wrong.

Elder's Watcher's Eyes are garbage value. They're 1ex unID at ilvl85, ilvl86 is much harder to obtain and the fragments you spend farming them eat heavily into profit, and identifying them is an even worse gamble than getting a good jewel from new bosses.

Maven is a harder fight and getting an expensive awakened gem is just as rare as a new boss jewel. Literally the same logic you tried to use on me as an attempt at a gotcha.

If you're going to say the bosses are unrewarding, actually prove it and tell me how it's different from the old bosses. At least with the new eldritch bosses, you can run maps, juice the hell out of them, and take advantage of the altars for even more currency, and it doesn't cost anything to fight them.

And let's not forget that the new eldritch bosses are a lot easier to fight. Maven's a close second, her memory puzzle is what makes her worse. Uber Elder is an outright pain in the ass.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

This is the 2nd time in a row the Exarch dropped me a valuable jewel. This one is around 20ex.

Let's not say the new bosses are less rewarding than the new ones. The Elder's unID ilvl85 Watcher's Eye is worth 1ex by comparison, not accounting for cost to fight them compared to it being free for the new bosses.

And why are these jewels so expensive? Because they are incredibly rare. You being lucky doesn't count.

The argument is that the new bosses are less rewarding than the new ones. I proved them wrong.

Some guy might tell me killing map mobs is the most rewarding thing ever because a mirror dropped from one of them. Doesn't mean his opinion is worth something.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Some guy might tell me killing map mobs is the most rewarding thing ever because a mirror dropped from one of them. Doesn't mean his opinion is worth something.

I've still yet to be proven that they're less rewarding than old bosses, especially when comparing difficulty in beating them.

Some guy can tell me killing Elder is the most rewarding ever because a Watcher's Eye rolled 2-3 great mods. Doesn't mean his opinion is worth something. Some guy can tell me killing Maven is the most rewarding ever because an awakened multistrike gem dropped from her. Doesn't mean his opinion is worth something.

Your argument is nonsensical, because at the end of the day, all of the bosses require luck to get something good. There's nothing special about (Uber) Elder or Maven that makes them more valuable farms than the new eldritch bosses. It's one thing to argue that 28 maps to reach them is tedious, which I can agree with, but it's another to say they're any more garbage than the others.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

Does it actually take longer to farm an Exarch/Eater fight than it used to take for Maven?

Back then you progressed Maven in the background while doing Sirus stuff, fighting boss each 5-10 maps, each 3 maps or so conquerors were popping up, dropping some influenced items, then after few Siruses your Maven was ready.

In other words, your mapping flow was changing constantly keeping you engaged.

Now its just turn off you brain and run 28 maps like a robot. Or even worse if you choose Maven.

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Your argument is nonsensical, because at the end of the day, all of the bosses require luck to get something good.

Definitely not true. The guardians/conquerors + the maven's crucible give consistent rewards. For example, 1 maven writ costs 1 exalt. Which means a single guardian/conqueror/etc. invitation gives you half. Meanwhile each elder guardian fight gives you between 15 and 20c in a guaranteed fragment. At least, because they can also drop one more, a div card or an elder item which can turn out to be good

According to the logic of Pizzarugi, playing the lottery must also bei rewarding. Some people even won it two times. That should be proof enough. ;)

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Johny_Snow wrote:

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Your argument is nonsensical, because at the end of the day, all of the bosses require luck to get something good.

Definitely not true. The guardians/conquerors + the maven's crucible give consistent rewards. For example, 1 maven writ costs 1 exalt. Which means a single guardian/conqueror/etc. invitation gives you half. Meanwhile each elder guardian fight gives you between 15 and 20c in a guaranteed fragment. At least, because they can also drop one more, a div card or an elder item which can turn out to be good

Sounds like the exact same thing can be done while running juiced maps in eldritch influence, doesn't it? Use the altars to guarantee certain drops like scarabs, all the while using other scarabs to optimize your engagement in your chosen atlas passives.

Also, most of the reweards you listed down for fighting Elder guardians sounds like more luck trying to get good loot which doesn't refute my argument. They're not any more likely to drop a good divination card or a good influenced item than you are to find something similar while running eldritch influenced maps. Additionally, you don't need a powerful enough build to fight eldritch bosses unlike a juiced Elder guardian crucible if you wish to get the most Crescent Splinters.

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Zottelfisch wrote:

According to the logic of Pizzarugi, playing the lottery must also bei rewarding. Some people even won it two times. That should be proof enough. ;)

You've been a member of this forum for as long as I have, technically a few months longer. You should know just as well as anyone that a lot of the best ways to make currency in this game has always boiled down to luck. I fail to see how that's changed between eldritch bosses, Maven, and Uber Elder.

Well, luck or knowledge on how to rip people off in trade. Pick your poison.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

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Your argument is nonsensical, because at the end of the day, all of the bosses require luck to get something good.

Definitely not true. The guardians/conquerors + the maven's crucible give consistent rewards. For example, 1 maven writ costs 1 exalt. Which means a single guardian/conqueror/etc. invitation gives you half. Meanwhile each elder guardian fight gives you between 15 and 20c in a guaranteed fragment. At least, because they can also drop one more, a div card or an elder item which can turn out to be good

Sounds like the exact same thing can be done while running juiced maps in eldritch influence, doesn't it? Use the altars to guarantee certain drops like scarabs, all the while using other scarabs to optimize your engagement in your chosen atlas passives.

Also, most of the reweards you listed down for fighting Elder guardians sounds like more luck trying to get good loot which doesn't refute my argument. They're not any more likely to drop a good divination card or a good influenced item than you are to find something similar while running eldritch influenced maps. Additionally, you don't need a powerful enough build to fight eldritch bosses unlike a juiced Elder guardian crucible if you wish to get the most Crescent Splinters.

Except I don't need to juice anything. I can run the maps white for all I care and still get steady rewards.