Lost Ark is POE Killer

Lost Ark is PoE killer... um really, uh ok... BYE!! Why tell us, just go.

How many times have I said bye to these people lol. PoE is forever :)

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Easer = better? How sad

Most of us have lives. The game functioned in a very easy state for like a decade... its why the game thrived.

now lets be clear -- the only challenging aspect of this whole game is the economy. moving nearly 100% of player power to gear destroyed the game for MANY.

We used to do 5m dps in a tabula. Gear was for life an res or build enabling only. it was a great time, and its been downhill since 3.9

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Rakie1337 wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Easer = better? How sad

Most of us have lives. The game functioned in a very easy state for like a decade... its why the game thrived.

PoE was in a very easy state for a decade? Well that's news to me, and I was here for that decade. Didn't seem all that easy. Hell I remember a time when we used to literally stop and read the mods on rare mobs, and even blue mobs took several hits to kill. Can't recall doing either anytime recently.

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Sadaukar wrote:

The leveling really is the worst part about LA I think.

After u hit 50 the game opens up so much. U have tons of stuff to do and I even enjoy the story much more now, because I can mix and match it with doing endgame stuff.
When Leveling u're basically on rails with only one goal in mind and it's mind numbingly boring.

Also thankfully u will probably never have to go through the leveling again, because of different ways to instantly get ur alts to lvl 50.

For the freezing part, I didn't encounter any technical problems so far.

Leveling is horrible because it didn't give me a reason to care beyond "Get to end game". And all I was advised to do was "Get to end game" so I ended up rushing. I enjoyed some parts of the game, Armen wasn't bad but ended up bouncing, would have liked to see him come with us. And the conteninets feel.... very video gamey in the sense of "OH here's fantasy land, OH here's Wuxia Asian area, now here's MEGATECH FF7 Area... Oh and Ice is next so..." blargh. Feels very un connected.

That and felt like no progression from 10 to 40s(Which is where I stopped, I got to TECH Land and gave up). I mean it took me like 20 levels to get new looking armor. Just felt like I was peddling in place for close to 40 hours.

I'll be honest, I probably would have just stalled out in the Ship section of the game, just exploring islands as my fun but every island I landed on either told me nothing(amazing how many NPCs you can't talk to), or when I got close required Tokens to land on and or discover, I'm not entirely sure about the system. But with how worthless the exploration started to feel and how just off the entire setting was; I just stopped caring about the game. And one can only care about "Numbers go up" for so long, yes even this game.

I'll give them credit about having ways to progress faster with alts, more games could use that.

But from what I'm hearing about end game, it's still a grinder, and not much sounds like it changes in bosses short of "We hit harder and faster" or instant lose wipe mechanics(OH I got ENOUGH of that in FF14 thank you).

I've had a bunch of issues from freezing, to glitches, to Desync worthy of GGG(How am I poisoned, I'm on the OTHER SIDE of the arena from that attack) to just UI elements that don't want to go away or can't find the minizine option to it.

The breaking point was when I was trying to get the alerts tab to go away, hit "Go back to character selection" as that usually pulls down everything if you relog onto a character and it just... bricked. Wasn't even near anyone busy just bricked.

With the combat and the skill system set up, I can see why people can like it(At least until the meta eats that system too) but I tried for a week and just bounced off. I want fast ARPG combat, I got PoE and Grim Dawn. I want FLASHY Combo combat with heavy grind...., well Dungeon Fighter Online is right there. And FF14 for story/friends.

Lost Ark combines all 3 into one game(With no Sub) but kinda does it in a very weird way that's not for everyone.

As for PoE.... at this rate I think it's just gonna be like WoW, Dota, League TF2, or Hearthstone. I don't think anything gonna out right kill them; leech players yeah but it's probably going to come down to the company itself having a bad year or two for it to die rather than someone coming in and just 'killing the king' so to say. Lost Ark might have hit the game hard but doubt it's gonna be a killer.

Related; every time people have said "X is the Y Killer!" .... how many of those have actually been proven? Look at the corpses at the feet of WoW and CoD/Battlefield among others. I think the only "Killer" that actually worked out off the top of my head was Fortnite basically taking PUBG behind the shed with a bat.

I honestly feel like anyone that says lost ark is a poe killer has never played one or the other. The two games are nothing alike, besides being isometric viewpoints.

The game is at 69% rating on steam with more than 10.000 votes,
the endgame is gated by dailies and daily lockouts which can only be bypassed through real world money.

Its a nice game for 12y olds to collect mounts or anyone dumb enough to spent tons of money on a game that is supposed to be free2play when in fact to literally play it (in the endgame) you have to spent money haha.

I dont understand why this game ever had any hype and I would be suprised if it is still a thing in 4 weeks from now.

So POE killer? Yeah right...
I would rather play D3 or WOW classic than Lost Ark and I do not prefer these games over POE in the first place.

Its totally fine if GGG is worried a little bit tho, this just means they will make POE even better, competition is always good, I just think its pretty much fake competition for now, but whatever.

^In contrast to Lost Ark's 69% positive rating on Steam, PoE is at 90%. Just fyi

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MerlinCross wrote:

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All fair points, however I do wonder how you stomach PoE leveling every single league. Unless you pay for MTX you wear practically the same armor, sometimes you are not even playing your main build untill maps. Your main skill barely changes throughout leveling, and all combat consists of holding one button while pressing flasks and dodging ocasionally, if you even need to (to be fair it's the same in endgame). Acts are EXTREMELY linear, with no exploration or collectible content, and you have to repeat it over, and over, and over again for every single character and every single new league (and in quite a few leagues, new mechanics barely appear in acts) with no option to skip or fast track it. Obviously, no cinematics or some kind of set piece moments, just talk to exclamation point dude and kill some guys in a new zone, rince and repeat for all acts.

So yeah, I can see why LA leveling can be annoying, but after PoE leveling?

You can always say "but PoE leveling is super fast!". Well if you are experienced it is. For a new player, like you were in LA, acts leveling can be very slow, in fact many people can hit a brick wall there due to picking a poor build or leveling skill, forcing them to start over. You mentioned hitting Ardentane in 40 hours, I can bring a character to 50 in about 12-14, so again, here an experienced player will also level faster (but not as fast, that is true).

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KalHirol wrote:

The game is at 69% rating on steam with more than 10.000 votes

Game got review bombed by europeans who have been suffering from server issues due to the game being too popular and servers being overcrowded (it keeps maintaining over 1 mil concurrent players on steam at peak hours). It is a shitty situation to be in, but has nothing to do with the game's qualities as a game. And yet, despite insane queues and matchmaking issues, people in europe still try to play, open their games remotely from work to get through queues faster, etc. Wonder why they do that for such an awful game for 12 year olds.

Lost Ark combat is like FFXIV combat, very fun to play when you're already used to timed combos.

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KalHirol wrote:

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Its a nice game for 12y olds to collect mounts or anyone dumb enough to spent tons of money on a game that is supposed to be free2play when in fact to literally play it (in the endgame) you have to spent money haha.

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In PoE you collect wings, grown up much?

I dunno in NA, but it's very successful in EU and it's here to stay for sure.

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MECHanokl wrote:

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MerlinCross wrote:

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All fair points, however I do wonder how you stomach PoE leveling every single league. Unless you pay for MTX you wear practically the same armor, sometimes you are not even playing your main build untill maps. Your main skill barely changes throughout leveling, and all combat consists of holding one button while pressing flasks and dodging ocasionally, if you even need to (to be fair it's the same in endgame). Acts are EXTREMELY linear, with no exploration or collectible content, and you have to repeat it over, and over, and over again for every single character and every single new league (and in quite a few leagues, new mechanics barely appear in acts) with no option to skip or fast track it. Obviously, no cinematics or some kind of set piece moments, just talk to exclamation point dude and kill some guys in a new zone, rince and repeat for all acts.

So yeah, I can see why LA leveling can be annoying, but after PoE leveling?

You can always say "but PoE leveling is super fast!". Well if you are experienced it is. For a new player, like you were in LA, acts leveling can be very slow, in fact many people can hit a brick wall there due to picking a poor build or leveling skill, forcing them to start over. You mentioned hitting Ardentane in 40 hours, I can bring a character to 50 in about 12-14, so again, here an experienced player will also level faster (but not as fast, that is true).

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KalHirol wrote:

The game is at 69% rating on steam with more than 10.000 votes

Game got review bombed by europeans who have been suffering from server issues due to the game being too popular and servers being overcrowded (it keeps maintaining over 1 mil concurrent players on steam at peak hours). It is a shitty situation to be in, but has nothing to do with the game's qualities as a game. And yet, despite insane queues and matchmaking issues, people in europe still try to play, open their games remotely from work to get through queues faster, etc. Wonder why they do that for such an awful game for 12 year olds.

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