Lost Ark is quest runner, POE is a mobb smasher, they don't even play similar

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DarthSki44 wrote:

People keep missing the point.

It doesnt matter why, or that its even a different genre. If PoE players move to LA, regardless of loops or other reasons, it's still a net loss of players/customers.

This was never binary, or direct arpg competition. Players play all kinds of games. It's pointless to argue semantics, or try to come up with reasons why this shouldn't be the case.

Its is what it is. LA is good. The endgame is good. There is no sense in denying it. And this notion that somehow, after years of success, it's going to fall flat, based on nothing, seems like desperate "but, but, buts" to me.

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Xavderion wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

People keep missing the point.

It doesnt matter why, or that its even a different genre. If PoE players move to LA, regardless of loops or other reasons, it's still a net loss of players/customers.

This was never binary, or direct arpg competition. Players play all kinds of games. It's pointless to argue semantics, or try to come up with reasons why this shouldn't be the case.

Its is what it is. LA is good. The endgame is good. There is no sense in denying it. And this notion that somehow, after years of success, it's going to fall flat, based on nothing, seems like desperate "but, but, buts" to me.

You could say this about any decent game that comes out, though. To me it looks like people who are salty about PoE are looking for reasons why PoE will certainly die this time. This has been going on for almost ten years now, and it will keep going on for the next ten.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Maybe it shrinks even further into obscurity

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Also I think calling LA a "decent" game that you could say anything about is selling them pretty short. They are in rarified air, especially for a MMO / Arpg hybrid. If you look at the numbers, it's pretty unique. But whatever.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

And this notion that somehow, after years of success, it's going to fall flat, based on nothing, seems like desperate "but, but, buts" to me.

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Xavderion wrote:

New World had similar numbers. We'll see how Lost Ark does a couple of months from now.

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MECHanokl wrote:

And this is why you shouldn't judge games with a ton of content like MMOs quickly.

LA is not a quest runner. LA is a raiding game, a hardcore one at that. The amount of time you spend doing quests is small compared to the amount of time you spend doing dungeouns and raids. Mob smashing is absolutely in the game, also part of endgame, however it is the easiest endgame activity. You even get exp from endgame raids, dungeouns and mob smashing arenas, both account exp (affects all your characters on a server) and character exp, since main story quests are not nearly enough to bring you to the hard cap, which is 60.

LA is a much easier and casual friendly game than PoE at start, since it takes time to explain its systems and introduce classes gradually (even then, people manage to get confused about some of the systems, not nearly as much as with PoE though). However, at endgame top content, it is much, much harder than PoE. In PoE, your endgame consists of holding one button and facerolling maps in brain afk mode and near instantly phase switching bosses (unless your build is bad). The further you progress your character, the easier the game is. In LA, it's the reverse - the further you go, the harder content is unlocked, and at the very top, your ass is going to be handed to you on a regular basis. I have seen experienced players failing the easiest phase of the easiest endgame raid in the game on their alts, and it goes only harder from there.

Now, LA has a lot of casual content on the side, like tons of exploration quests and collectibles, world events etc., but its main attraction for many (including myself) are the endgame activities, which are not "quest running".

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RuneLuthien wrote:

So ye as the title says. After playing LA, comparing these 2 games wasn't right. They play entirely different.

For the 1st 10 hours of Lost Ark, you're only running to npcs, theirs more dialogue than their is stuff to kill. Meanwhile the first 10 hours of POE has you smashing through act 1 goats on the Ledge or prior to that.

While Lost Ark fills the role of having long term progression for a top down game. LA will never fill the role of being the best mobb smasher. Because it simply isn't built for it. It's built for pathing. Or walking to npc's.

Which game has the better new player experience, from a unbiased stand point? First 3 hours of LA, with the prologue and starter town, or first 3 hours of POE with the 1st act. Obviously POE has a faster / more entertaining new player experience. LA is four times slower, for the early aspects of the game.

How about LOOT? LA early game loot non important. Only its end game loot has value. Meanwhile POE during the start of the league, has rng percent chance drops, from the start of the act 1. LA has no rng loot for early or mid game that's worth it. Meaning D2 style loot is more fun to gain, than some korea grinder item tab list is (of only gaining useful items through quests, but not drops). Yes POE loot per season start isn't always useful mid-game as you can just buy auction better gear by then. Tho still overall POE is made to drop potentially fun loot randomly early to mid game too & LA doesn't have that early to mid game, not at all.

LA has better face customization for appearance. Yet LA has worst skill customization. Only being able to pick 3 passive utilities per skill tier rank, isn't good enough. POE has support gems that give you skill customization, plus allows you to pick from an assortment of gems, & lastly has a huge skill tree. Meanwhile LA just has less items that make your play style differently, no tree, and only a small buff for skill variations.

I was hoping Lost Ark would play like Ragnarok Online & be a open map with mobs. LA doesn't mix the map walls, like POE does. The maps are more basic for LA. Yet I still like the art style of both games. Also why the freak, is no dev in 20 years able to recreate a better version of Ragnarok Online, without bots?! IS THAT SO HARD?! Jesus. Would be better than a Diablo 2 clone or some old korean grinder / Dragons's Nest clone. JUST MAKE RAGNAROK ONLINE MAPS with similar mob density & guild town hangout grassland spots.

Anyhow, besides that rant, at least I have a top down game that has social towns, saved progress, & pvp. Even if it is mostly a quest runner & has nearly zero mob smashing, for the first half of the game. Also enemies give nearly zero exp, only quests give exp, & most quests are walking. While POE has quest runners too, you're still smashing mobs while running to those quest, LA you simply are not smashing mobbs. Overall, neither game outshines the other. You literally have to play both games, to experience something the other is missing.