Remove legacy items

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roundishcap wrote:
I assume you all balance things the way you do for a reason. Having legacy items in standard screws with the playerbase in specific ways such as creating a power standard that is no longer obtainable because that item no longer functions like that. Just make all instances of the item current. Also delete mageblood and headhunter if you can't balance your game around them.

Standard was originally known as 'the dump league'...

Its reason to exist is that it is the place to dump stuff from the leagues. That was why it was created, and the main reason behind that was to spare customer service from complaints when people lost their 'phat lewt' at the end of a league.
Early 2017 Legacy league was launched where players had the opportunity to get Relic items with Legacy stats. Says enough about GGG's views.

Legacy items are part of Standard and removing them will create a huge uproar on the forums and a major loss in income.
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neohongkong wrote:
Then what is the point of Standard permanent league if there is no legacy item?

Do not reset progress every 3 months? Some players have no time for that. Standart is solution for that and legacy items is a cancer.


no theyre not.


if you dont want your progress reset every 3 months then you want to have a massive advantage over new players, but apparently you want to have that advantage on server where others dont have that advantage over you?



if you want a legacy item go trade for it. other people are trading for them, other people can afford them, why cant you afford them? legacy items are not as powerful as mirror tier rares. so if you have mirror tier rares why do you care about a legacy shavs or a legacy kaoms? theyre literally shit compared to mirror gear. so just buy mirror gear thats way better than legacy gear, whats your problem?


other people can afford these items, and the reason they can afford them is because they didnt have their progress reset every 3 months. you wanna play in the deep end then learn to swim, theres other places you can play, no ones forcing you to be there and no ones forcing you to take part in the economy where other players power effects you. feel free to play standard ssf.
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well, i would say legacy rare item after 3.13 harvest blessing is way too powerful. But i don't agree this is the reasoning to delete it
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neohongkong wrote:
well, i would say legacy rare item after 3.13 harvest blessing is way too powerful. But i don't agree this is the reasoning to delete it



ya i agree, but the item mods are not legacy for the most, whats legacy is their means of production right? that people played at a time when game balance was different and were allowed to keep their items.






that really gets closer to the core of the the issue here that the "delete legacy items" crowd seem pretty oblivious to.

this is the logic, and its wrong: the game is balanced around X and Y items that currently exist but not Z that has gone legacy, therefor having that is unbalanced and unfair.






this basic premise is nonsense. the vast majority of those harvest crafted rares are still able to be made, the mods are still in the pool. the game isnt balanced around them existing, the game isnt supposed to be balanced around mageblood or headhunter or any number of items that exist or potentially exist in the game. the very concept that the game is supposed to be balanced and fair is naive and incorrect.

the game isnt supposed to only contain balanced things, its supposed to be balanced around what a normal player can usually get their hands on over the space of a few weeks to a few months, and it is then supposed to fall apart into a state of completely unbalanced bullshit as that player keeps getting more and more stuff beyond that point.


the most unbalanced items in standard are rare items that can still be looted/crafted. what makes standard unbalanced is that people have been allowed to keep the stuff theyve acquired without it being reset after 3 months. its now 9 years, and many of those means of acquisition are now legacy, so much wealth farmed in content that has been rebalanced using builds that have since been nerfed. i can link you a stack of 1000 exalts right now, and i can link you a legacy kaoms worth over 3000 exalts. the kaoms is shit, its irrelevant, you can make a build 10x stronger by spending that 1000 exalts on non legacy rare items than you can using that chest. thats the issue, the fact people have 1000 exalts and have non legacy rare items that have not been deleted after the space of a league.



so the 'problem' with standard is that its standard, the very thing these people think is wrong is what defines it. its not a problem, its not even a feature, its the entire reason it exists. the only way to fix that would be to delete everything every 3 months, ggg are well aware of this, and thats why they have leagues.
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this remind me Albert Eistein quote about two infinite thing in this universe LOL
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lanvuive332 wrote:
this remind me Albert Eistein quote about two infinite thing in this universe LOL


what's "dumb" in this context?

it's a solid and justified request to have all legacy items removed from the game if you don't own any.
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lanvuive332 wrote:
this remind me Albert Eistein quote about two infinite thing in this universe LOL


what's "dumb" in this context?

it's a solid and justified request to have all legacy items removed from the game if you don't own any.


Like just remove all player stash from whale player because you are new to the game that you have 4 stash pages?
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neohongkong wrote:
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lanvuive332 wrote:
this remind me Albert Eistein quote about two infinite thing in this universe LOL


what's "dumb" in this context?

it's a solid and justified request to have all legacy items removed from the game if you don't own any.


Like just remove all player stash from whale player because you are new to the game that you have 4 stash pages?

yeah, i was suggesting that people who ask for this probably don't have much to lose.
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