Versatile Combatant keystone.

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ciel289 wrote:

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Grauthrim wrote:

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drklrd wrote:

Leaguestart lol

Craft it yourself 0.o it's not difficult. You can fossil craft shields like that very easily.

there is a essence for high spell block as well not sure what the new value of it is though

GL getting those at leaguestart.

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Grauthrim wrote:

https://pastebin.com/wxTFpjgW

This is just the league starter version of it btw.

so 2x mage hunter = 8% (nice 40% spell dmg btw)
2x small node = 2%
prodigious defense = 3%
shield = 15%
lazwar = 15%

"new tempest shield" 25% which reserves 25% mana

so total 68% with 4k hp and 1m dps

nice build bro.

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Yavëtîl wrote:

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Grauthrim wrote:

https://pastebin.com/wxTFpjgW

This is just the league starter version of it btw.

so 2x mage hunter = 8% (nice 40% spell dmg btw)
2x small node = 2%
prodigious defense = 3%
shield = 15%
lazwar = 15%

"new tempest shield" 25%

so total 68% with 4k hp and 1m dps

nice build bro.

Like I said, league start. Finished build sits at more like 10mil DPS but this is besides the point, was literally showing a way you can hit higher than 60/50 which i've done. There are dozens of ways to do it. You guys are complaining about nothing.

I would love to see the final version with 65% spell block 10m dps and 6k life but dont cheat like you did on the silver flask to achieve it.

Of course you can achieve 65% spell block at a cost of your entire build, to begin with the 25% mana reservation of tempest shield, that is what we are complaining. And i´m quoting you "pretty easy".

Evasion based chars got spell supresion to help them, and block chars got spell block nerfed to the ground. does not make any sense at all thats the reason I started the post to get a little enhancement.

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Grauthrim wrote:

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Yavëtîl wrote:

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Grauthrim wrote:

https://pastebin.com/wxTFpjgW

This is just the league starter version of it btw.

so 2x mage hunter = 8% (nice 40% spell dmg btw)
2x small node = 2%
prodigious defense = 3%
shield = 15%
lazwar = 15%

"new tempest shield" 25%

so total 68% with 4k hp and 1m dps

nice build bro.

Like I said, league start. Finished build sits at more like 10mil DPS but this is besides the point, was literally showing a way you can hit higher than 60/50 which i've done. There are dozens of ways to do it. You guys are complaining about nothing.

You keep saying we are complaining about nothing but the point is that the champion ascension is practically useless right now.
You can get as much attack block, spell block and spell suppression with other classes and with a lot more of damage than champion with shield build.
Also in shield builds you need to prioritize armor on shield since it's your damage source.

I was given pelters on here an Reddit last week for saying Gladiator's been nerfed into the ground with these changes.

I literally can't make any of my Gladiator builds work.

Keep hearing .. use tempest shield. Fabulous. Tempest shield replaces other auras for either defence or dps and doesn't make up for zero availability to spell block in bottom half of the tree.

Dual Strike block build .. absolutely no chance. No spell block available. Best I could do was DW max Attack block and 100% Spell suppression with a huge drop in dps or 60/50 block with versatile combatant. Either way a huge drop in survivability or huge drop in DPS.

Lacerate 1h Axe block build. Despite some very nice masteries on Axe, no access to spell block in bottom half of the tree. No access to spell suppression on left hand side of the tree = either 60/50 versatile combatant or huge investment into clusters. Again either way either a huge drop in survivability or huge drop in dps.

Try building Gladiator without block = no defense, means trying to provide defenses on tree, and go for a 2hander bleed build..... why? .. any number of other ascendancies better suited for the task. I did this in Harvest with a 900pdps Axe .. great dps with lacerate. Stutter movement forced due to zero mitigation.


Build I'm still looking at .. Staff block build with glancing blows with 90% att blocks and max spell block and other mitigations and good recovery. Again .. still probably better ascendancies for this.

Smite build with max block either pathing to top left of tree for more spell block elemental pen, or right hand side of tree for spell suppression but again better ascendancy choices for this.

Any way I look at it, Gladiator is now more or less garbage tier without huge gear investment.

In SSF they're a no go.

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jcottage wrote:

I was given pelters on here an Reddit last week for saying Gladiator's been nerfed into the ground with these changes.

I literally can't make any of my Gladiator builds work.

You are not alone. I think Gladiator lost most of its identity. There will be only bleed builds now in HCSSF, nothing else. The block mechanism part of the ascendancy is just too bad now compared to other ascendancies, which have better defence now from ascendancy and even better offence.

I will be waiting for the next league when they will remove fortify from Champion, rage from Berserker, etc. All ascendancies will become very similar to play with no real identity that make them different.

You can be 60/50 with 37 passive points and a shield with 30 block on it (and cruel lab). At that point, you get 600 ar/ev from gladiator, which is more than you get as a champion. With more than 50% evade chance, you'll be taking less damage from attacks than if you were 75% block. The armour effect is basically doubled (as I understand it), so you'll be taking less physical damage when you get hit as well.

100% suppression is not out of the question, especially if you take mage blood. 50% block at 50% damage is better than 75% block, as the damage you take will be more consistent.

Divine shield is interesting, with good phys mitigation and the tiniest amount of ES, it will be effective against multiple small hits.

There's also more sources of max res.

Overall, even with nerfed block, the gladiator's defensive options have gone up. Tangently, SST may not be as easy, but what did you expect to happen after they doubled its damage last league?

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LowestOne wrote:

You can be 60/50 with 37 passive points and a shield with 30 block on it (and cruel lab). At that point, you get 600 ar/ev from gladiator, which is more than you get as a champion. With more than 50% evade chance, you'll be taking less damage from attacks than if you were 75% block. The armour effect is basically doubled (as I understand it), so you'll be taking less physical damage when you get hit as well.

100% suppression is not out of the question, especially if you take mage blood. 50% block at 50% damage is better than 75% block, as the damage you take will be more consistent.

Divine shield is interesting, with good phys mitigation and the tiniest amount of ES, it will be effective against multiple small hits.

There's also more sources of max res.

Overall, even with nerfed block, the gladiator's defensive options have gone up. Tangently, SST may not be as easy, but what did you expect to happen after they doubled its damage last league?

No no, you don't understand, gladiator is dead and ggg is a terrible company out of touch with their community for nerfing a defensive mechanic that FACE TANKED maven in the last gauntlet event.
/S for clarity

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Fluffy_Maverick wrote:

No no, you don't understand, gladiator is dead and ggg is a terrible company out of touch with their community for nerfing a defensive mechanic that FACE TANKED maven in the last gauntlet event.
/S for clarity

Ah yes. The fabled someone was having fun with it so we had to delete it from the game reasoning. Yes. Makes perfect sense.