General reason why the game is failing and I want your input !
" Some very good points here but is that the goal of dealing with power creep ? Maybe I don't really understand what it is. |
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" Oh I quite obviously do know what's going on. And you'll be getting my input whether you want it or not. Last edited by Sabranic_SilverDeth#2793 on Sep 3, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
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" Well I understand your point and it's very enlightening. But obviously the way they approched the problem isn't adequate but I'm not sure what should have been the right approche. What do you think ? |
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" XD go pollute other posts or waste your time here, I don't care. |
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ARPGs have fallen into a trap over the years called Enemy Density.
Enemy Density is important for many reasons. It dictates how effective your AI is allowed to be. How strong player recovery can be. How strong AoE is vs Single Target, esp AoE layering. It controls the flow of the game well as the player's perspective towards typical enemies. Diablo 1 > Diablo 2 > Diablo 3 all increased density through each game. PoE is no different. I believe this to be one of the game's biggest fundamental flaws and yet few talk about it. As players we go from 100% to dead because of Enemy density. Burst damage is the only thing which can affect players at this point because of our fast recovery thus deaths feel very RNG because they are. Power Creep is inevitable in any long term RPG. The important part is to keep it minimal so the rest of the game can be easily adjusted. This includes countermeasures for Power creep. A lack of proper itemization is what I feel hinders game progression the most. The spectrum is simply too high and players look towards band-aid solutions like Harvest yet the root problem still exists. Currently we are beta testing PoE2 concepts. It's not right that we are but that's what's happening. I don't think this will affect the game long term but I also don't think it will be very effective. "Never trust floating women." -Officer Kirac
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@jadrann: yea blanket nerf did little to fix any kind of issues apart from global creep. It still maintained power and skill imbalances.
one of the only ways I can see combating power creep based on player differences, is reducing the power gap between the BEST items and the lower tier items. Have all numbers/stats/effects gained by gear be less dramatic. They need to exist, but there doesn't really need to be a 1000% difference between t1 rolls on everything vs t4 rolls on everything. You still want a clearly defined tier system, where players are constantly upgrading for more life/damage/defense etc., but influenced mods/top tier crafting have just gotten so out of control powerful that its hard to make any kind of balance without first tackling those mods. Personally, I hate that tailwind/elusive/onslaught ever made it onto boots in the first place. Other mods elsewhere too, but specifically these. They should have been class-specific mods and KEPT class specific. We need more of THESE kinds of "ascendancy choice buffs" and less gear buffs. GGG over the last few leagues has seemed like they want to systematically remove uniqueness from ascendancies which, in my opinion, makes absolutely no sense. Last edited by jsuslak313#7615 on Sep 3, 2021, 12:40:16 PM
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" Oh shit, I think you might be right. They seem to be testing iterations that are incomplete though. Rather than gradually reducing player power and increasing interaction time shouldn't they do a clean cut ? That clean cut would be with PoE2 release ? Or is it to smoothy adjust player perspective ? Great stuff btw ty ! |
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" So if I understand correctly, it might be the philosophy of the game to keep every classes generic that makes it very complex to balance ? It makes sense and quite frankly I never thought much about the slot used for specific crafts and the relative power of the tier system. |
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well, no, you can have more generic ascendancies and still maintain better balance. That was more of an aside issue I have with itemization.
The real problem though is items, not ascendancies per se |
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" I don't care what some youtube drone says about PoE. Form your own opinions and make your own arguments. This Grimro person could suddenly catch fire and burn to ash... or live eternally in opulence - I don't care either way. Total apathy on my part with respect to their opinion. " Word salad. " The leagues every three months are, in every measurable way, a beta test. The content is stress tested, bugs worked out, problems identified, and it is either fixed and eventually moved to the permanent league - or discarded. " They are correct in that assumption. People are wanting to level faster and easier, and they often frame that desire with a host of disingenuous arguments. "We're bored with this old content." "It's too hard." "We've done this a million times." Translation: "We want to level new characters faster and easier." I rather wish people would just be upfront about the situation. The various cloaks are transparent, and the only people fooled by them are role-playing along. And this is a bad thing. Because people conquer the content too quickly and become bored. A fine line needs to be found between "too much grind" and "everybody has killed Maven on day 7." " Well, then I'd say your solution is clear - patronize the product you enjoy. " You are wrong. Power creep inevitably destroys the game. Full. Stop. There are no exceptions to this. 1: Power creep sets in. 2: Content becomes trivial. 3: Players get bored and complete content too quickly. 4: Devs make content harder to account for power creep. 5: Barrier to entry goes up, reducing the number of new players. 6: Old players grow bored, begin to drop off - but are not replaced due to 5. 7: Game fades out and goes into maintenance mode. 8: Game eventually shuts down. There are no exceptions to this. " ...I keep thinking about The Sphynx from the film "Mystery Men" while deciphering what you're trying to get across here. " And? They can work toward the goal. Most won't reach it. This is not a problem - the top-end content is, by intentional design, gated behind a great deal of grinding and luck. There should be games out there with a high bar to entry - just as there should be games made by Blizzard appealing to the Candy-Crush crowd. " How? You have not demonstrated or described how there is a "progression design problem." I look at the game and see a very clear path forward - one gated behind progressively harder and time-intensive challenges - which is not a design flaw, but an admitted feature. " That is your opinion, not a statement of objective fact. Thousands of people, myself included, are having a great deal of fun with this product. To say they've forgotten how to give the players a "fun time" is provably false as lone as there are players still having a good time with Path of Exile. " So what? 1: Don't care about what streamers do - see above. Total apathy. 2: I'm enjoying myself as I play, yet not "giggling like a school-girl" or splitting ear-to-ear grins. So facial expressions are a useless metric. 3: Do you have any of your own opinions? Or do you let other people form them for you? Not to go all Devon Stack on you, but it seems like your entire world-view is being plugged into your head like an NPC dialog-tree. Where are YOUR thoughts in this? I. Don't. Care. about some dude on YouTwichCord. Actually, I LESS than care about their opinions. " -_- " Based on your replies above, I doubt your sincerity. " "Opinions are like ***holes - everybody has them, and most of them stink. - Me Last edited by Sabranic_SilverDeth#2793 on Sep 3, 2021, 1:39:55 PM
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