Adding A Player Trade Score To Trade Section

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Pizzarugi wrote:

+1

Finding and blocking price fixer listings on the trade site would make my life a lot better. Currently I indiscriminately block anyone who doesn't respond under the assumption of price fixing.

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Kilsum wrote:

I'm sorry but, I completely disagree with everyone saying such a system wouldn't work. Since i'm pretty educated in web development myself and know the type of data web developers can have and track and what said web developers can do with said data.

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Kilsum wrote:

I'm sorry but, I completely disagree with everyone saying such a system wouldn't work. Since i'm pretty educated in web development myself and know the type of data web developers can have and track and what said web developers can do with said data.

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Kilsum wrote:

If I had access to the data needed to confirm specific player trade transactions that would be one data that could be used in determining a trade score along with w.e other similar data pointers GGG has.

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Kilsum wrote:

I have looked at their public api and they don't give access to the data needed to calculate a successful trade transaction. So, me coding this idea wouldn't be possible. But, i strongly believe the web developers they have could make something pretty good that wouldn't be easily gamed.

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Kilsum wrote:

If GGG managed to implement my idea it would not only help filter price fixers it also gives trading an incentive because people will want to have a high trade tier but, also the tier would be dynamic so if said player is done with trading and wanted to grind the game the players that are moderately trading would be getting more of the spotlight because he's not gold anymore and vice versa. But, mainly the price fixers would be filterable, like imagine if there is an option to only show trade listings that are from bronze, silver and gold tier traders only.

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Kilsum wrote:

And knowing that you will at least get a response saying their busy please wait until i'm done this or even better trade with you instantly. I know one thing for sure though is players would be selling more even if your on the low tier trading bracket bronze the way my idea would work is bronze players would still be worth messaging because they would more then likely response to your whisper instead of complexly ignoring you all together like price fixers do.

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Kilsum wrote:

I'm also willing to work with GGG communication wise if they plan on using my feedback to implement such a system. Because this is my main issue with the game currently and the reason I stopped playing it because sitting on trade messaging 30 players just for one dam player to not be a price fixer is aids and huge huge huge time waster.

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Kilsum wrote:

I know everyone here doesn't think a system could work but, I think you all understand my vision at least. Maybe, one day this could be implemented somehow.

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Sabranic_SilverDeth wrote:

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Kilsum wrote:

I'm sorry but, I completely disagree with everyone saying such a system wouldn't work. Since i'm pretty educated in web development myself and know the type of data web developers can have and track and what said web developers can do with said data.

No. Any metric you set will be gamed - within hours. Any change you make to your algo will be identified, and adapted to - again, within hours. Monstrous companies with billions to throw at this problem have not been able to solve it. The only solution they've found to be even modestly effective is active moderation by paid employees.

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Kilsum wrote:

If I had access to the data needed to confirm specific player trade transactions that would be one data that could be used in determining a trade score along with w.e other similar data pointers GGG has.

It would be gamed by the bot army. Easily. The end result will be bots and price-fixers still dominating the trade site's cheapest prices - only now they have A+ trade rankings. And you still introduce all the opportunities for abuse that systems like this bring.

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Kilsum wrote:

I have looked at their public api and they don't give access to the data needed to calculate a successful trade transaction. So, me coding this idea wouldn't be possible. But, i strongly believe the web developers they have could make something pretty good that wouldn't be easily gamed.

The likes of Amazon, Google and Microsoft have not been able to successfully stop this sort of thing. You are taking on a literal army of programmers, who, collectively, have infinite resources. You think in terms of tactics, when this is a war of logistics.

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Kilsum wrote:

If GGG managed to implement my idea it would not only help filter price fixers it also gives trading an incentive because people will want to have a high trade tier but, also the tier would be dynamic so if said player is done with trading and wanted to grind the game the players that are moderately trading would be getting more of the spotlight because he's not gold anymore and vice versa. But, mainly the price fixers would be filterable, like imagine if there is an option to only show trade listings that are from bronze, silver and gold tier traders only.

You think they won't dominate every tier you set up? Everything the cartels do is automated. This is a fight that literally cannot be won - the only winning move is not to play.

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Kilsum wrote:

And knowing that you will at least get a response saying their busy please wait until i'm done this or even better trade with you instantly. I know one thing for sure though is players would be selling more even if your on the low tier trading bracket bronze the way my idea would work is bronze players would still be worth messaging because they would more then likely response to your whisper instead of complexly ignoring you all together like price fixers do.

Again... ANY possible metric you try to enforce will be gamed. You'll spend hundreds of hours coding, unit testing, rolling out and then bug fixing - and your legion of enemies will dissect your metrics and adjust their bots to accommodate. This will happen within hours. HOURS.

You have to worry about best practices, integration with existing systems, documentation and optimization. Your enemies not only don't have any of those concerns, they outnumber you hundreds to one. There are entire forums, with thousands of users, who contribute to these projects.

If you throw the gauntlet at the internet, the internet always wins. That holds true for organizations the size of even Apple - with over a trillion USD in liquidity. What chance does GGG have?

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Kilsum wrote:

I'm also willing to work with GGG communication wise if they plan on using my feedback to implement such a system. Because this is my main issue with the game currently and the reason I stopped playing it because sitting on trade messaging 30 players just for one dam player to not be a price fixer is aids and huge huge huge time waster.

The only thing that will change, if they were foolish enough to hire you and implement this system, would be that the bots and price-fixers dominating the top fifteen slots - in every last strata you establish - will now have pristine rankings.

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Kilsum wrote:

I know everyone here doesn't think a system could work but, I think you all understand my vision at least. Maybe, one day this could be implemented somehow.

It would become a source of complaints from angry users, a resource drain as the devs try and fail to stay ahead of the cartels, it would accomplish the opposite of its intended function, and the only solution would be to hire an army of moderators to try - and mostly fail - to keep a lid on the disaster.

Do not play into your enemy's strengths, and don't look at logistical problems tactically.

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Kilsum wrote:

You are not at all educated about web development are you?

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Kilsum wrote:

You are not at all educated about web development are you?