Aurabot fix/nerf is months off

Here's my calculation:

7 medium clusters jewel (one voice + 2 large cluster) set-up:

each medium cluster has 35% increased effect and replenishing presence for a total of 22% increased aura effect

22% x 7 medium clusters=154% increased aura effect
total: 154% increased aura effect

PASSIVE TREE:

total: 57% increased effect (including might of the meek and anointed champion of the cause)


Gears:
3% = conqueror's potency jewel
15% = enchanted helm of tribunal
15% = victario
10% = shield
total: 43% increased aura effect


254%= 154% + 57% + 43%

it's only at 254% without a gg timeless jewel

conclusion: You really need to spam voices to reach +300% increased aura effect

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elemental_oasis wrote:

can you please share your POB so that I can manually calculate the total increased effect of non-curse auras from your skills

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3164710

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impulze3 wrote:

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elemental_oasis wrote:

can you please share your POB so that I can manually calculate the total increased effect of non-curse auras from your skills

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3164710

thank you for sharing
I calculated your total increased effect of non-curse from your skills

you have 2 purposeful harbinger notable on your emdium clusters it's not an aurabot notable coz it's only affects you. For the purpose of calculating the toal increased of aura effect in your cluster jewels I will consider them as First Among Equals or Replenishing Presence.

20
20
22 (purposeful harbinger changed to repelnishing)
20
20
22
15
18 (purposeful harbinger changed to replenishing)
22
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total: 179% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Gears:
10% - shield
3% - conqueror potency
29% - timeless jewel
total: 42% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Passive:
total: 57% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

278% = 179% + 42% + 57%

Final total: 278% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Unfortunately, you didn't reach 300% increased effect

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elemental_oasis wrote:

thank you for sharing
I calculated your total increased effect of non-curse from your skills

you have 2 purposeful harbinger notable on your emdium clusters it's not an aurabot notable coz it's only affects you. For the purpose of calculating the toal increased of aura effect in your cluster jewels I will consider them as First Among Equals or Replenishing Presence.

20
20
22 (purposeful harbinger changed to repelnishing)
20
20
22
15
18 (purposeful harbinger changed to replenishing)
22
----
total: 179% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Gears:
10% - shield
3% - conqueror potency
29% - timeless jewel
total: 42% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Passive:
total: 57% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

278% = 179% + 42% + 57%

Final total: 278% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Unfortunately, you didn't reach 300% increased effect

360% before purposeful harbinger, 400% with it. 2ph , 3 heralds, 8% per herald = 2*8*3 = 40% ( CAP )

you have no idea what you're talking about

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impulze3 wrote:

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elemental_oasis wrote:

thank you for sharing
I calculated your total increased effect of non-curse from your skills

you have 2 purposeful harbinger notable on your emdium clusters it's not an aurabot notable coz it's only affects you. For the purpose of calculating the toal increased of aura effect in your cluster jewels I will consider them as First Among Equals or Replenishing Presence.

20
20
22 (purposeful harbinger changed to repelnishing)
20
20
22
15
18 (purposeful harbinger changed to replenishing)
22
----
total: 179% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Gears:
10% - shield
3% - conqueror potency
29% - timeless jewel
total: 42% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Passive:
total: 57% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

278% = 179% + 42% + 57%

Final total: 278% increased effect of non-curse aura from your skills

Unfortunately, you didn't reach 300% increased effect

360% before purposeful harbinger, 400% with it. 2ph , 3 heralds, 8% per herald = 2*8*3 = 40% ( CAP )

you have no idea what you're talking about

that's a multiplier for example a 250% can become a 3.5

if it's shows 3.6 in your picture then it must be 260% only below my actual manual calculation

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elemental_oasis wrote:

that's a multiplier for example a 250% can become a 3.5

if it's shows 3.6 in your picture then it must be 260% only below my actual manual calculation

Here's a pob with 300+ aura effect without purp harbis, victarios unequipped.
1x 7p voices and 2x large clusters, 7 medium clusters total.
https://pastebin.com/mYA1e4wL

7 clusters with 20% each makes 140% increased effect of auras from clusters total.
57% from passives makes a total of 197% from tree, 10% of shield, 3% jewel
thats 210% increased effect without redeemer chest 30% or victarios 15%

it makes a total of 310% effect of auras.
the reason for that is that the baseline of aura effect is 100%.
210% + 100% = 310%


my build has 260% increased effect of auras and 40% increased effect of auras on me, adding up to a total of 400% aura effect on me and 360% on others.

thats why determination goes from 5% chance to avoid stun to 20%. its multiplied by a factor of 4 (400%).

poe rounds down, not up.

if it was a multiplier of 3.5 i would have 17.5% stun avoidance.

here is an example: i unsocket 2 clusters (-40%) and unspec 2x4% nodes, giving me 352% effect of auras, that should give me 17.6% stun avoidance. if it were to round to nearest, it would make it 18. its 17 tho.

this is my POB numbers about my Haste aura it says the aura effect mod is 3.49 should I be boasting that I reached 300% increased aura effect because it's 3.49? of course not coz I know for a fact that I only have 249% increased aura effect.

No wonder these people are mislead by their own interpretations ignorantly telling everyone that it's possible to reach +300% increased aura effect without spamming voices. That's why for me, spamming voices is really the top cancer of aura build and I'm suggesting it in my original post to limit its usage to 1 or either cap the aura effectiveness to 200-250%

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elemental_oasis wrote:

this is my POB numbers about my Haste aura it says the aura effect mod is 3.49 should I be boasting that I reached 300% increased aura effect because it's 3.49? of course not coz I know for a fact that I only have 249% increased aura effect.

No wonder these people are mislead by their own interpretations ignorantly telling everyone that it's possible to reach +300% increased aura effect without spamming voices. That's why for me, spamming voices is really the top cancer of aura build and I'm suggesting it in my original post to limit its usage to 1 or either cap the aura effectiveness to 200-250%

Nah i just think you're hanging up on increased aura effect versus aura effect

you have +249% increased aura effect,
it adds to total effect of auras at 349%

I have 300% increased aura effect on me without using 1p voices.
it adds to 400% effect of auras. on me :)

mind you my original post was refering to aurabots and stackers and i was referring to my own build.

no need to get toxic, i think its just a misunderstanding between effect and increased effect

edit: also yeah, its impossible to reach 300+ increased effect of auras with only 7 clusters as the maximum increased effect you can get per cluster is 22% (1x 6% notables + 4x 4% = 6% + 16% = 22%).

with 7 clusters you have 154% increased effect from clusters.

it adds up to 154% + 57% + 10% Shield + 3% conq jewel + 15/30% chest = 239 or 254% increased effect of auras or 354% aura effect.

I think OP was just saying he's reaching aura effect, not increased effect.

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impulze3 wrote:

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elemental_oasis wrote:

this is my POB numbers about my Haste aura it says the aura effect mod is 3.49 should I be boasting that I reached 300% increased aura effect because it's 3.49? of course not coz I know for a fact that I only have 249% increased aura effect.

No wonder these people are mislead by their own interpretations ignorantly telling everyone that it's possible to reach +300% increased aura effect without spamming voices. That's why for me, spamming voices is really the top cancer of aura build and I'm suggesting it in my original post to limit its usage to 1 or either cap the aura effectiveness to 200-250%

Nah i just think you're hanging up on increased aura effect versus aura effect

you have +249% increased aura effect,
it adds to total effect of auras at 349%

I have 300% increased aura effect on me without using 1p voices.
it adds to 400% effect of auras. on me :)

mind you my original post was refering to aurabots and stackers and i was referring to my own build.

no need to get toxic, i think its just a misunderstanding between effect and increased effect

edit: also yeah, its impossible to reach 300+ increased effect of auras with only 7 clusters as the maximum increased effect you can get per cluster is 22% (1x 6% notables + 4x 4% = 6% + 16% = 22%).

with 7 clusters you have 154% increased effect from clusters.

it adds up to 154% + 57% + 10% Shield + 3% conq jewel + 15/30% chest = 239 or 254% increased effect of auras or 354% aura effect.

I think OP was just saying he's reaching aura effect, not increased effect.

249% increased of aura effect to me is 249% and I'll never imagine/interpret it as 349%. I only consider 349% as a shortuct to math by using method 2 by adding 100%.

method 1
base * 249% + base

method 2
base * (249% + 100%)

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elemental_oasis wrote:

249% increased of aura effect to me is 249% and I'll never imagine/interpret it as 349%. I only consider 349% as a shortuct to math by using method 2 by adding 100%.

method 1
base * 249% + base

method 2
base * (249% + 100%)

I think you're moving goalposts and focusing entirely on semantics to appear to be right. Both of your methods are mathematically equivalent.

An aura has 100% of its effect or a multiplier of 1. 249 increased effect makes the effect of the aura 349% or a multiplier of 3.49 of the original effect. The other guy earlier was obviously referring to aura effect and not increaesd aura effect and the entire discussion was based around you two ignoring that fact.

if 100% effect of an aura gives you 5% stun avoidance, 349% will give you 17.45% stun avoidance, the game rounds that down to 17%. as shown in my pictures earlier, its exactly how it works in the game.

In poe increased is additional, not multiplicative. If it were more aura effect, the formula for the values of an aura would be as follows.

base * (1+inc_effect/100) * (1+more_effect/100)

its possible to reach 300% increased aura effect without using 1p voices, you need 3p voices and a good timeless jewel.
https://pastebin.com/CYYttmeA