【Not off topic 】Why RTS is dead ,and Poe is following its footsteps

RTS dead?

I was rank 5 in Command and Conquerer Tiberium Wars back in the day.

I still love playing rts, but it's true if you stop playing for a longer period of time, it takes tremendous amount of time to adjust to whats meta, how to spot what your opponent is doing and counter it.

Blizzard isnt the only responsables for the RTS decay!
Our dear EA gave the genre a massive headshot with the bomb that was C&C4

But its only on the western market, mind you, starcraft 2 is quite huge on the eastern side of the globe and there is where the videogame money really is

The next big thing atm seems to be mobile games tbh... there is a LoL clone on mobile that is currently the top dog of the videogame industry(i dont even recall the title kings of honor or something like that, but its a game barely known in the west, being just a LoL ripoff and all. But who cares about the west, the thing is a big thing on china and korea, so it blows any western moba or shooter)

Mobile market is where the money is because is where the focus is shifting to on asia, no surprise blizzard tried to go in with D immortal(and theyll likely fail terribly, lul)

Age of Empires 2 remastered is purty darn good. Just gonna leave it there because I agree with most of the rest of the OP's point.

People don't really wanna 'git gud' SC2 style. People wanna pick up a game, roll in, get their feet wet, save their progress, and come back later.

Games and genres fail when any one of the following is out of kilter:

--Wrong platform
--Wrong UI/UX scale
--Wrong learning curve and skillcap
--No or limited choice of multiplayer options
--Wrong reward system
--Wrong price point.

Imagine if PoE focused on exclusively pvp, or exclusively single player campaigns or SSF. Imagine if Starcraft or Age of Empires maximised automation of menial clicks and added some depth to some other area of the game that's more strategically engaging and interesting.

Imagine PUBG but with permanent tech trees and customizable perennial inventory.

Imagine a monthly membership fee for PoE but with its current performance issues and retention grind. Conversely, imagine PoE for US$10 per month but with buttery-smooth performance and QoL writ large everywhere.

A lot of things can go very, very sour with just a misalignment of purpose. The reason why X type of games are in decline or Y are hot right now may have more to do with just a little nudge this way or that. It's not impossible for a heavily-entry-friendly RTS to make a big comeback if it gets around the small number of inputs on console controllers, and flattens the learning curve for the Saturday night gamer.

Premises are wrong, starcraft 2 is healthier than ever with the best viewerships it has seen, AoE is doing amazing.

Also youre showing a lot of ignorance and over simplification for a problem that is not easy to solve. Trust me, sunshine, there are dozens of smarter people working at it. If you have honest criticism deliver it, but dont come preaching.

Anyone who is not a trve believer in the "church of the Vision of Chris Wilson" should be banished from this realm.

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DontKillTeal wrote:

Premises are wrong, starcraft 2 is healthier than ever with the best viewerships it has seen, AoE is doing amazing.

not true.
2018 Sc2 was the 2nd most watched game on twitch overall, 2021 is the 18th.
Pandemic inflated player and viewer numbers, in comparison these games are still irrelevant.
Same is true for player numbers of the mentioned games...
There is a reason Sc2 had to go free2play...

You say RTS is dead right as Age of Empires 2 is getting yet another expansion (coming out literally today!), Age of Empires 3 just got its expansion, and Age of Empires 4 is coming out in 2 months from now. And yes, both AoE 2 and 3 are on an upward trajectory, complete with sponsored tournaments and pretty decent numbers on Twitch. RTS being dead is a meme. RTS is the ultimate survivor! \o/

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Exile009 wrote:

You say RTS is dead right as Age of Empires 2 is getting yet another expansion (coming out literally today!), Age of Empires 3 just got its expansion, and Age of Empires 4 is coming out in 2 months from now. And yes, both AoE 2 and 3 are on an upward trajectory, complete with sponsored tournaments and pretty decent numbers on Twitch. RTS being dead is a meme. RTS is the ultimate survivor! \o/

We'll see...I don't have win10 anywhere yet so can't verify for myself whether the scenario/campaign editors and random map scripting tools are still as robust as they used to be.

God those were the days. Monster Truck Rally AOE3 Asian Dynasties. Zelda Oprichnik of Time full map RPG. Age of Civ mega racer worldmaps by LeRoiGeorge. WonderWars, Mythodea, Tower Defence, Mafia, LoSt, even the silly Random Maps contests gave us some insane classics like Trade Go Nuts and Shangra La.

I miss RTS games, they were fun


I'm just a console pleb now and unfortunately there is zero RTS games on playstation. Not because it can't work on controller, on xbox 360 about 10-12 years ago there was an awesome Lord of the Rings RTS, can't remember the name but it worked on controller and was awesome.

I also like mobas, but I only play Smite. I wish some new moba that's cool could come out too.

Yes RTS is dead,
True AOC 2 got an expansion yesterday,but the game is just surviving of core customers....and it is a unique case, as like D2 ...

Where GGG are still in the mind set of D2 really puzzle me....

Nowadays we have those god dam phone games and other stuff... like PS4? 5?

If u put a very slow POE into the PS4?5? and people playing in their living room all day just to do ACT 1~4... that is not good for anyone...so i really disagree with the speed nerfs....(but this is not the only reason they shouldn't ,im not even trying to talk about any change of POE now)

The point of this post is to warn GGG what path they talking on POE and how this ship is got hit the ice burg ,i hope they correct course fast enough to save the "exiled" people don't just leave league, they find new game to play in the same time.... that's what im saying from the beginning.

And i hope POE becomes main stream and grow large....