the mana nerf and how its effected your build

i know nothing about leveling with the changes

but my actual end-game setups so far

my 97 necro;
-lost few levels for precision, needs 2 level 4 enlightens also needs to wait before can cast more skellies

my Hoag raider;
-lost precision, needs to use level 3 enlighten for Dread banner

more to come..

lets just say that im liking Arakaali's more and more :)

^ I am glad it didn't change your three-link at all, lul.

My POB's dps was nerfed by about 75% and mana cost raised by a factor of 3.
I can live with all that, but the flasks/defenses were also nerfed.
This patch is just a joke.

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Dan1986 wrote:

^ I am glad it didn't change your three-link at all, lul.

My POB's dps was nerfed by about 75% and mana cost raised by a factor of 3.
I can live with all that, but the flasks/defenses were also nerfed.
This patch is just a joke.

what 3-link?

my gloves are empty cause idk what to use

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PyleWarlord wrote:

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Dan1986 wrote:

^ I am glad it didn't change your three-link at all, lul.

My POB's dps was nerfed by about 75% and mana cost raised by a factor of 3.
I can live with all that, but the flasks/defenses were also nerfed.
This patch is just a joke.

what 3-link?

my gloves are empty cause idk what to use

Sry I meant the guy before you, but you were too fast to post your reply :)

many of my builds are unplayable
those that are are painful to play

i logged in today for the first time since patch
played 4 chars for 1 map each

hated every second of it
logged off wont be back until they fix this stupidity

My 2 cents to the topic:

I am playing a fast-attacking lightning raider in 3.15 and I can tell you that on a 6L it is basically impossible to use multistrike. I am on about 5 aps on my current setup and on a 6L I would use about 40 mana. It is impossible to counter that with mana leech without investing heavily into max total mana recovery. I didnt try it but I dont think it would work because there is limited amount of max total rec. on the tree. And we are talking mana recovery so yeah. Lots of points spent.
Second option - which I am using - is to swap in inspiration instead of multistrike to lower mana costs + use an enduring mana flask. It works very well for mapping. On map bosses well I destroy them relatively fast so it works here too. For tougher bosses its a nightmare still. On Sirus or multi-boss mavens I at some point run out of flask charges and watch my char mostly auto attack. One solution would be to get -mana cost rings but that's not feasible so early in the league. Also, I dont even know if it would solve the problem. Another idea would be to not go on a 6L but a 5L with inspiration but I have tried that and you kind of need the 6L really because of the dmg nerf. Another idea is going for less APS but honestly, if I want to go for a 1 APS earthquake build I would go for a 1 APS earthquake build.
Overall I think they went way to heavy on mana especially during early game. Late game I guess it would be fine if you dont go for some high APS melee builds which are the most fun (to me). So yeah. Guess you can remove multistrike from the game though because it is literally not playable. Also, because someone mentioned ranger: you dont really have an option to go for mana recovery because its not there, its not in the tree for ranger. I play raider myself and even if I would want to go for mana I couldnt really. Not enough + mana reg. on the right side of the tree. Also, I dont think it makes sense that melee should invest more than a couple of points into mana which you kind of do when you go for mana leech. Needing that extra enduring mana flask is tedious because if its not on you are OOM all the time.

Edit: inspiration obviously is useless for phys melee builds so yeah. Doesnt make a lot of sense to bascially *require* that gem on a 6L to make the build even feasible. If you do not play some sort of elemental melee type you got to go low on APS.

I really only play my 99 necro and 96 gladiator on standard and after the patch.. oof necro damage was cut so bad.. around 19m prior to patch down to around 7m after (lets just say my zombies couldn't take down the poison conq without them all dying to poison in the middle while chasing him, prior to patch they could kill him before the poison even spawned). Mana isn't an issue since I only needed enough to cast desecrate/offering/flame dash, had to lower the precision though.

My flicker gladi wasn't hit so bad, only lost 1-2m in damage but he never got past around 8m anyway. Also had to lower precision to a very low level but now I have enough to cast flicker once LOL which is enough since I have a mana leech node but having to hear the message for not enough mana every so often is annoying.

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RitualMurder wrote:

many of my builds are unplayable
those that are are painful to play

i logged in today for the first time since patch
played 4 chars for 1 map each

hated every second of it
logged off wont be back until they fix this stupidity

just fix your builds, if you have to swap 2 or 4 points over into mana nodes then boohoo, do it and get on with it.

Holy cow the mana cost for Cast while channeling is huge, and they took off the added more damage from the gem. I have almost 200 mana regen per second and I'm still running out of mana. CWC used to be cool but now why bother, it really is a feel bad change.

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nrgleon45 wrote:

Technically, I analyzed my build after the patch, before I needed only about 180 mana for the build, now, taking into account the entire increased mana cost, and this is = 60-90% percent increased , + taking into account nerfs, the cvdt for which you need to spend mana, + increased mana consumption of things with autocast, + frequent triggering of kvdt, for example, with a call to immortality, all this very quickly drains your mana pool, as a result, we have a bunch of non-working builds like a fastcasting / coc/ volatile dead etc, especially difficult for builds that are focused on spells - since I didn't really see modifiers in the game that leech mana for such builds, and especially for energy shield builds, and so if earlier you needed 65 mana to cast a skill, now it becomes 100+, if before for a great job you need mana was 180 enough, then taking into account all the previous nerfs, now you need about 300-500 mana units, which means that you need to increase the mana pool in the tree by 100%(and even more because of kvdt and autocast ) and spend skill nodes on this, in the end we come to the conclusion that many builds do not work well or do not work Generally(especially, there is a decrease in survivability, taking into account the waste of mana of protective mechanics tied to cvdt = since this is still multiplied with elemental states and the nerf of flask immunity, this leads to the quintessence of piled crap on the entire poe community. ) , + decrease in the number of free points of passive skills from the tree for taking mana, and some crazy mechanic of spending unnecessary mana on KVDT and auto-casting skills(if the usual mana consumption +60-90% can still be dealt with, then this is already the idiot's final decision), I was greatly upset by this patch. so in addition, they also completely killed the skill gem - controlled destruction, which reduces the damage of a critical build, for example, with a 100% critical chance by minus 50% DPS by POB, and makes your critical chance no longer 100% but 20%, it looks like just idiotic stupid ggg , I mean was it really necessary to make these two changes in the patch? for example, I don't really care about the other changes they made, but mana cost and controlled destruction are just shit blast from the ass on players)

Get your enter button fix plz ty