Unban request for unjust banning

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Xavathos wrote:

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Hornybull wrote:

I still don't get it. The devs messed up and included something unwanted in the game and players found it. This isn't the player's fault and shouldn't get punish for something that's in the game.

How many of these players thought that maybe they found a more efficient way to grind?

Maybe they thought it was part of the game?

So the standard is to assume guilt and not innocence these days?

So if you went to an ATM and withdrew 50 bucks from your bank account and it spit out 5000 instead, you'd just keep it? And you think if later on the cops lift you out of your bed and take you to jail, you were innocent? What?

And that's not even what happened here. What happened here was even more obvious, as this wasn't the first "5000 they stole from that ATM", they were repeatedly doing it and on stream, which makes it worse by a notable factor, as it shows viewers how it's done and incites more players to try it.

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Hornybull wrote:

Going off the ban information mentioned in this thread:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3087148/page/1
I am requesting a unban of those 20 accounts because it isn't right.

The players didn't cheat since they didn't do anything outside the programming of the game. The exploit was a mistake on the parts of the devs either due to error or lack of foresight.

Is this the part where GGG starts telling us if we don't play the game how they want we will get banned? Didn't you at least test the league mechanics before publishing out?

I don't know the players however I'm not going to stand by while fans of the game get banned for injustice. I feel that as a player that enjoys this game I need to speak out against bad actions taken against the player base.

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innervation wrote:

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Hornybull wrote:

Except in a videogame literally nothing has material value and the value is from the video game it's self and not the individual items in it.

If that's true, then why were the exploiters so keen to pick up all that loot?

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Suslikwishmaker wrote:

The second reason I find this different is because of GGG's previous non action of such things has created a atmosphere of Exploit fast, exploit often. I do feel it's good they are changing that previous stance, however going full reverse isn't the way.

Personally feel 2 weeks, and removal of ill-gotten gains would have been enough to send a message. On top of an announcement which would allow people to know this is something they actually act against now.

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Noble_Seiken wrote:

I'm pretty sure there isn't a TOS stipulation that says you can't take advantage of obviously broken mechanics, since the malicious intent can't be proven. Edit: There is no such stipulation.

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DoEFotGS wrote:

Not, because way how it was abused is obviously not the way how it should worked.

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porous2 wrote:

It's a tricky one for me. In any situation in life, there is an obligation to act with decency. To give a real life analogy, let's say someone goes to work and unwittingly leaves their front door wide open. I'm walking down the sidewalk past their house and see that the house is empty and open. I can:

1) Try to locate and contact the owner to inform them that their house is open.
2) Report it to the police or neighbourhood watch and let them take further action to protect the house from burglary until the owner returns.
3) Not do anything and just continue on my way.
4) Walk in and help myself to their stuff.

Arguing that 4 is acceptable because I didn't create the situation of the open door, the owner did, doesn't work for me. It doesn't matter what other people do, what should matter to me is what I do.

However, in this scenario there is a victim and physical property loss. In PoE, loot is not physical and not finite. If someone finds a glitch where every chest gives them 20 Exalted Orbs if they summon a Flame Golem and then pop a Diamond Flask in the two seconds before opening the chest, that doesn't exhaust the allotment of Exalts and mean that nobody else can get one. It's not stealing Exalts from anybody so it's a victimless crime.