Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

SO the only thing that allows the average player who don't play religiously, spend 14 hours a day or more, and the insanely rich players, can't get to try end game anymore because of this.

Kinda wish i could refund all the money I put into this game.

The reason's people trade away the currency items for regular items is because they don't want to take the risk of ruining items to the point of worthlessness.

Let's take the crafting they want to put in. You have lets just say an item. Lets use 3 mods, all t1. Use an exalt now you get a t9 mod. Now you annul, lose a t1, annul again, lose another t1. At this point, wtf is the point of using currency beside trade it to those who craft religiously and can farm up the currency?

Harvest was the only way the casuals could get gear powerful enough to get to t15 + maps and end game bosses.

If you are going to remove the powerful harvest crafting, then make exalt orbs be spent in tiers. For example: 1 exalt orb for one mod = up to t6; 2 exalt orbs up to t2' 3 exalt orbs for up to t1 mod.

For annulment orbs, why not allow players to have the choice to annul a specific type of mod that the harvest has. For example, you use an annul orb and it gives you a list of what type to annul (attack, caster, phys, elemental type etc).

The hole gambling thing just makes the game not worth playing for casuals. Most will either uninstall or stick to standard where they already made build specific crafts instead of trying something new.

Same here. Truing to make my build(first one was on 2014 some where on ru comunity), practice with other builds from forum/youtube, trying to craft things and was glad when harvest arrived, buy some pack, tabs/premium tabs/MTX etc. and after this nerf i'm starting to think abou Grim Dawn, Last Epoch whatever, just couse can't spend a lot of time to farm currency to buy on trade league/craft in SSF/season etc.
But GGG nwm, just another butthurt from another player.

the best way to show them this is a bad move, is simply to not play the next league when it starts, or at all, which I'm planning to do, I skipped heist and I felt great about it. and I quit this league as soon as they announced this [Removed by Support].

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Matdas wrote:

Harvest was the only way the casuals could get gear powerful enough to get to t15 + maps and end game bosses.

This is just wrong. Sorry but i can get to t15 maps with 2 exalts budget.
Just not with every build and not with a build that plain sucks.

I dont say the harvest changes are perfect but there is a lot mimi here that is just not correct. The only way that what you are saying is correct, is if you think a casual is playing 1 hour a week.

This is the only thread I have seen where the page count is going down.

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bustr wrote:

And more Pages got deleted, we should work out some sort of backup to see what kind of Posts they are deleting, also inform maybe some Gaming News Outlets on that behavior.

First they take harvest and next they're gonna take some comments out that were definitely not just straight-up harassment!

BY MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT I WANT TO HARASS ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH ME!

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Marobudka wrote:

At the end of every league, I ask myself - do I really want to go through all this again? Does it still feel like fun, or does it start feeling more like.. work?

Now, when I imagine I will need to spend so much more time mindlessly grinding to get the same result as with the current state of Harvest, it just suddenly seems like a boring work to me.

Messing with the tags a little to eliminate the most insane crafts would be so much better then the introduced nerfs.

I think all of us casuals do that. Thing is you get bored pretty quick with everything at your disposal in standard. It's actually the hunt for GG that's the fun part not actually having the GG stuff. You'll be back.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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Marobudka wrote:

At the end of every league, I ask myself - do I really want to go through all this again? Does it still feel like fun, or does it start feeling more like.. work?

Now, when I imagine I will need to spend so much more time mindlessly grinding to get the same result as with the current state of Harvest, it just suddenly seems like a boring work to me.

Messing with the tags a little to eliminate the most insane crafts would be so much better then the introduced nerfs.

I think all of us casuals do that. Thing is you get bored pretty quick with everything at your disposal in standard. It's actually the hunt for GG that's the fun part not actually having the GG stuff. You'll be back.

I completely agree with the hunt being the real fun here. But the hunt has to actually have a reasonable chance to succeed (reasonable being rather subjective I admit). With current Harvest, the chance might have been a bit higher then necessary, especially for certain OP items, but as I wrote, that could be easily resolved by messing with the tags. Either removing them (easy, but also heavily impacting delve crafting) or adding them (and hence making them more improbable to craft while increasing the risk of removing a mod you actually want). By the way, I've spent more time playing this league then probably all previous leagues combined, so Harvest did not remove the fun for me, on contrary, it motivated me to try to push the build to the limits.

I also did lots of alteration and delve crafting this league and at certain point the process becomes extremely boring. I mean, applying an alteration 3000 times, meh. Don't want to go through this again.

As about being back in the future, it's certainly possible. I find threatening 'I am definitively leaving this game, not paying a single dime anymore' etc. funny and GGG has seen millions of such posts afer each nerf without actually feeling any impact. But at the very moment, I am really disappointed by the planned changes. I just don't feel the usual urge to start a new build from scratch and making it amazing, knowing I would have to invest 3x more time into rather boring grind to achieve similar result.

yes

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Overall, this is undoubtedly a heavy nerf to high-end Harvest Crafting, but we strongly believe that it is in Path of Exile's best interests going forward

dont forget sacrifice divination card to get 0 or double

either you remove this craft completly or make it so rare that it always double up

other wise its gambling aswell. and there is laws against it no matter what of the user interaction it feels the same as being in the casino. who goes casino and closes his eyes. lead developer himself ? sir you might have a big problem. and european FCCA aswell with you.