Development Manifesto - Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting - Forum

This. I don't think there was any rhyme or well reasoned rationale in most of the things GGG do w.r.t "design changes" or "philosophy" for some time now. We have been taken for a ride, suffering bad choices and some unhealthy liberties being taken with us and our patience. we have also incorrectly internally rationalised it with "muh, intellectual game and me intellectual, having challenging fun". But the tone and condescension in this one has broken the camel's back for a lot of us. " bugslayerjohn wrote: This manifesto is an absolute joke. The current form of harvest crafting is powerful, to be sure, but the level of effort involved in crafting a very high end piece of gear for yourself is still on the order of many hundreds of exalts in most cases. Many critically important mods like mana can't be targeted at all and are still a cornerstone of particularly unique and valuable "treasures". The inability to craft on influenced bases isn't just a nerf, it makes harvest actually useless. If you want proof, look no further than synthesized and fractured items, which in many cases have absolutely no value as a crafting base even with top tier mods...because they can't be influenced, and influenced mods are absolutely fundamental to assembling a playable build at this point. You're so terrified that someone with 500-1000exa is going to assemble a perfect item that you're ripping away the ONE THING that allowed someone with 100exa to make something pretty nice. Just to make sure that the top 0.00001% of players don't make a few mirror tier items each league, you're completely screwing one of the most useful mechanics the game has ever had in terms of accessible gear for inexperienced players. League after league it's so obvious that NOBODY at GGG has any clue what this game looks like for 99% of players, especially new players, but never has the level of tone deaf been more obvious than it is here in this manifesto, where you repeat the words of the actual real frustrations that these players have with the mechanic, and then manage to jump to the most tone-deaf worst possible conclusion. Well done guys. You've really outdone yourselves this time.	Posted by surio#2492 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:32:51 AM Quote this Post
" DaEtoZhestko105 wrote: Does that mean you can't use add (augment) crafts on influenced items but non-mod/add mod and remove/add still available for influenced items? no, they mean the mod that says like "add an Influence modifier to influenced item" or "remove an influence modifier and add an influence modifier to influenced item" The ones you're talking about (ie: Remove/Add Physical) will not work.	Posted by Greymane2k#6401 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:33:36 AM Quote this Post
Every single update this game feels more and more like a full-time job. You're trying to turn all the player base into no-lifers and it will backfire. Everywhere I go now I see that people are quitting the game, because they need to put absurd amounts of time to get some ok-ish gear and be able to progress a bit. Harvest was giving normal players a chance at decent items as well. Now you're taking it away. That wouldn't even be an issue, really, if there were other ways normal players would be able to get some decent gear, without playing until they get sick. Maybe you should put more of your time into getting rid of the 98% of trash items that drop and boss fights that don't drop anything worthwhile and feel like a waste of time. I've done countless end-game guardian and boss fights and I didn't even get a single notable drop worth more than 50c. I've also got a friend who's done 2250 Sirus kills and got the following notable drops: 7 awakened multistrikes, around 150 awakener orbs, 34 swords and other lower value awakened gems. An absurd amount of kills, 2250, and you can see for yourself how worthwhile they were. I myself have stopped killing Sirus after doing like 15 and not getting anything more than 50c drops. Maybe you should think more about all those players that quit before or during yellow maps, when they find out that they now need to play 8hrs a day to be able to slowly progress a bit. I love this game, but am tired of the standard being "you need to play at least 8hrs a day to get somewhere". It's tiring and unhealthy. We're changing work burnout for game burnout, and so gaming loses it's real objective - to be fun and to help you chill. Last edited by zenith04#0738 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:36:01 AM	Posted by zenith04#0738 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:34:16 AM Quote this Post
The game need targeted crafting. Have it only in harvest is not very good, but it need to be in the game. If we could drop "exalted fire orb", "exalted caster orb", "annulment cold orb"... in the Ritual, Heist, Delve, ... it would be very good.	Posted by GKPlight#6321 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:34:33 AM Quote this Post
Thank you for not having to attempt heart of the grove in harvest. Its not pleasant.	Posted by Id1eRace#8467 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:34:38 AM Quote this Post
" This sentiment was summed up by a member of our design team who recently said "We don't want to take away the feeling of closing your eyes and Exalting an item, scared to see whether you ruined it or not." So 1 member of the design team who design and not play the game is more important than 90-99% of your playerbase? And just because he think that using 100s of hours to get materials and then gamble to see if you brick your item or get 1 useful gear out of 100 shit gear is fun don't mean anyone else does. I know you don't like fun but holy shit this is insane.	Posted by JJaxxo#7163 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:35:37 AM Quote this Post
Finally	Posted by spirionon#3172 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:35:42 AM Quote this Post
3.13 Was the most fun league for me, and I've been here since Domination... Harves5 crafting was a big part of that. It let's us casual players get to the end game... It was the first time I ever did Shaper/Elder... First time I had more than a few exalts... I had TONS of fun crafting my own items. Without harvest, crafting for yourself is almost impossible.	Posted by Philonoist#7416 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:36:54 AM Quote this Post
Sarcasm doesn't transfer that well on the internet. But I'm about 95% certain that this one is spot on with sarcasm. Maybe we should "slam an exalt orb with closed eyes" and find out for sure? /s " br0nek wrote: Very good decision. Throughout Ritual I was thinking how much free money it was to farm harvest for the dozens of people on Discord. Saw how discouraged some people felt about crafting at its current state - as posted, there is no more crafting for sale as everyone is making crafts for themselves. Again, pretty much for free. I totally agree that this game should not be this deterministic. I must strongly disagree with all the people that try to post threats of leaving because D2/D4 - I think all we can get by only adding free crafting like that is D3, where you are pretty much given full sets for end game in a day. Keeping my fingers crossed that the changes work out well.	Posted by surio#2492 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:37:04 AM Quote this Post
It's really simple, GGG protects their rich streamers who RMT and get free shit every league. Why allow the average player to craft nice gear? [Removed by Support] you've lost my support. I won't play this shit game ever again once D2 remastered comes out, then D4. Last edited by Anointedone#4653 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:40:47 AM	Posted by Anointedone#4653 on Mar 11, 2021, 1:37:54 AM Quote this Post