How to get the value you deserve.

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superbomb1967 wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Playing Path of Exile: $0
Kopogero getting trolled: Priceless.

Says the guy with a page full of support banners.

Jealous?

Sometimes you buy to so called support them but by in large is because GGG is really clever to give you so much shit to store and not enough places to store it. Let's not kid ourselves tabs are bread and butter here. Why do you think they go on sale every three weeks. But only 17% off vs 50% for more optional MTX

The thing is GGG gave us the tools so the community can get a better value out of the game, the problem is those with the most influence like certain PoE streamers don't have the best interest for the community.

The community needs to find someone who has their best interest to host events and then GGG needs to lower the cost further for these private leagues unless they intend most of the support they'll get to be from the league creation.


Example:

I host a 30 days private SSF HC league with difficult mods with an entry fee of $10. At the end of the league the prize $ is split among the top 3% of the total participants minus the cost that will be required to create the league. This format will properly reward the best of PoE as well as ensure the community has events through the entire league duration, and then as I would become established figure and start streaming I would get sponsors involved, which would further add value to the events. Further, I would not be taking 5% fee from the total prize since I would be receiving something out of streaming, and then some will support me for spending the time to make these events happen.


@Morkonan,

Please stop with your generic argument. If you don't got the time that means you're using your time elsehwere where you're getting a better value, like grinding IRL for $ (you can't have it all). It's also not my fault the game currently favors individuals who can play as much as they can without diminishing returns, but still 30 days is long enough to separate the best players from the rest. You then say you don't have the willingness, but that only means you don't have the confidence because again with the hours you put in the game and then your current skill/experience wouldn't be sufficient. So, yes you would still get more value out of the game when you follow events, which is always better than no events.

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DoubleU wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Indignant freeloader soapboxes about getting value you deserve to actual supporters, actual supporters heckle. World otherwise unchanged.

More at 11 (no doubt).

It is akin to a nasty recurring dream, really.

Nah, those at least likely have some sort of subcutaneous meaning, even the ones that aren't given by malicious women with pretensions of divinity. ;)

I'd probably equate it more to idiopathic urticaria. Harmless but annoyingly disruptive, easily managed day-to-day (though merely ignoring it does nothing; *inevitably* someone will scratch at the latest outburst). Despite this, it's surprisingly difficult to effectively get rid once and for all, such that the cure is far more work than it's worth, and regular treatment is the best option. In this case, treatment appears to be 'heckling responses': appropriate since common medications for urticaria are used reactively rather than proactively, possibly because humans are far more apt to react to a problem after it's become a problem than go out of their way to prevent it when things seem fine (hashtag hottake2020). This is true until the problem becomes such a daily issue that a person afflicted with fresh memories of what happens when they get lax takes that pill by rote. I'm sure there are a few folks here who know exactly what I mean -- it is inevitably a by-product of getting old.

This is keeping in mind that the 'skin' in this metaphor is almost exclusively owned by the players; GGG themselves appear as sensitive to the situation as a skeleton is to a pimple.

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Kopogero wrote:

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@Morkonan,

Please stop with your generic argument. If you don't got the time that means you're using your time elsehwere where you're getting a better value, like grinding IRL for $ (you can't have it all). It's also not my fault the game currently favors individuals who can play as much as they can without diminishing returns, but still 30 days is long enough to separate the best players from the rest. You then say you don't have the willingness, but that only means you don't have the confidence because again with the hours you put in the game and then your current skill/experience wouldn't be sufficient. So, yes you would still get more value out of the game when you follow events, which is always better than no events.

You claimed that your suggestion was "how to get the value you deserve." And, it's a poor suggestion because, just as you describe above, it only allows a small portion of the community to truly "compete" and anyone else who actually wants to derive a value from it has to do it by not actually playing the game.

You know who cares about Competitive events? Well, besides PoE getting some cheap marketing? Streamers getting views, clicks, donations and subscribers. Sure, it happens... But, it's not adding value to the game experience and any "community building" is pretty weak.

Anyway, I'm sure you like your suggestion and I wish you luck with it. People have to eat, after all. But, at the end of the day it's all just cheap marketing support for GGG.

If you want to really suggestion something good,you should suggest GGG stop cramming fifty-eleven bits of hastily cobbled-together content with poor optimization in an engine that just plain struggles with it on hardware, like the console I play on, that can barely handle half that load... I'm tired of getting one-shot by giant "angry squares."

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Kopogero wrote:

...I host a...

Aaand there we go.
You don't give a rat's ass about players getting "value" from the game. You're just begging for money again. In the form of tencent giving you a leg up on creating a YT channel to live off.

If you want to earn money as a streamer, then do what streamers do:
- Either work hard and learn how to really play this game optimally, all the while explaining stuff to people who don't know as much as you. This is hard work.
- Or do something entertaining that enough people are willing to watch. This requires a good sense of humour, a pretty appearance and/or a certain degree of shamelessness.

But begging? Nah, that's not gonna work.

@SisterBlister

Consider this my final response to you and hopefully it will help you because I continue to see more of the same you demonstrated over a week ago, which is lying to yourself so you can somewhat feel better. It makes sense why you're still going at me, and try to paint this picture that's simply not there, but at the end if you want to believe the sun is green or blue you're welcome to do that. I'm not going to fall into the trap and spend endless time here argue with someone that wants to believe in their own fantasy.


1) All of my feedback has been for the purpose to bring more value both to the game as well as the community that's a part of it. I've not demanded anything out of it.

2) In the past I've done things ONLY because no one else was doing it, things that they were supposed to. How do you think these events started happening with big prizes, and after how many years? Then again, what have you done yourself?

3) Most know here how good I am when it comes to this game. I've easily climbed among the top of the ladder through the years while getting a good sleep. For one to accomplish that, let's just say it requires some brain cells in a game played by hundreds of thousands.


I know what this communicate can get compared to what's been getting, and offered myself to do it out of good gesture if no one else is going to. Through the decade I've always had significantly more $ than I've ever needed to spend and I can generate more per hour than most around here. I simply don't like to see this game end up like the hundreds of others I've witnessed through the past two decades. I see the same symptoms and I'm offering a solution how that can be somewhat mitigated and slowed down if not reversed.

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Kopogero wrote:

1) All of my feedback has been for the purpose to bring more value both to the game as well as the community that's a part of it. I've not demanded anything out of it.

Well, if you were to read the responses you get, you'd realize you've failed at that purpose. The only thing you provide is a kind of cringy entertainment.
And yes, you keep demanding tencent add something: Events tailored precisely to your playstyle - because you have no chance of winning any of the existing events - with money prizes.
So sorry, but it seems your sun is green, not mine.

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Kopogero wrote:

2) In the past I've done things ONLY because no one else was doing it, things that they were supposed to. How do you think these events started happening with big prizes, and after how many years? Then again, what have you done yourself?

3) Most know here how good I am when it comes to this game. I've easily climbed among the top of the ladder through the years while getting a good sleep. For one to accomplish that, let's just say it requires some brain cells in a game played by hundreds of thousands.

If you don't provide the slightest shred of evidence, you'll have to accept that people don't take this part seriously. I've watched my fair share of streamers' videos explaing what they do and how, and you have never appeared anywhere. You're nobody.

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Kopogero wrote:

Through the decade I've always had significantly more $ than I've ever needed to spend and I can generate more per hour than most around here.

And yet you're proud of never spending much money on games. This is pretty poor for someone who gets hundreds of hours of entertainment for free and could support the people providing it. tencent may not need your money so much now, but years ago, those things were called "supporter packs" for a reason.
Once again, I don't believe this, because your actions say otherwise and talk is cheap.

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Kopogero wrote:

The best PoE streamers would get more if the game had more depth, where their content would be more useful for advanced players, not just beginners, as well as if they were more involved in delivering the best value for the community.

Huh?

One of the biggest hurdles for new players getting into the game is the depth. There are so many lightly explained mechanics and subsystems you need two screens to effectively play the game. For trading, looking up rolls, min-maxing, etc.

And I'm unsure how Streamers can be more involved in "delivering the best value" when they're (Ziz specifically) running the race event with thousands of dollars in prizes.

The entire reason they do class based rankings is to keep the race interesting, or you would see the same 2-3 meta builds being run by everyone. It's much more inclusive and better value if a wider range of players get to compete for prizes, as it encourages newer players to partake as well.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Here are some other things I do for fun.
Rebuild engine on my buggy $7000 to run maybe 300 hrs
Methanol to run 2 miles $18
Filling my dads 700 gallon tank on fishing boat for a weekend ocean fishing $2200

Wasted time according to Kopogero's logic because they don't earn you money so you're not getting the value you deserve. Apart from fishing of course - because you could sell that fish. But is it actually worth it WhEn YoU cOuLd Be GrInDiNg FoR mOrE mOnEy At YoUr AcTuAl JoB?