Multiboxing rules the world!!! (the world of GGG)

The only people who like multiboxers are multiboxers.

GGG doesn't like it and legit players don't either.
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guidoo wrote:

See, there's a problem with this. You can't look at the history of multi box usage. This is what's wrong with everyone who is claiming that it ruins the economy. You have no statistics, no numbers, no evidence of any kind to show how many people do it, which means you cannot possibly know what effect it has on the economy.

This is also another false statement. Just because you say that multiboxers farm 6 times faster, or get 6 times more currency doesn't make it true. I've yet to see any video of anyone multiboxing efficiently. Best I've seen so far was a guy streaming it, and he was only using 2 characters at the same time. We've already seen the video in this thread where the guy multiboxing 4 characters doesn't even make it to the 2 minute mark without managing to desync all his characters.


In the end we keep going back to the same 2 issues that people who are so strongly opposed to multiboxing have yet to clear:

1) Since you don't know what percentage of the daily amount of currency that's injected into the economy comes from multiboxers, why do you feel confident in jumping to the conclusion that they affect the economy so much? Why do you assume that they have any impact without having any evidence to back your assumptions?

2) Where is the evidence that shows how multiboxing is much more efficient than anything else?


Yo, bro. What's up. I don't get what you thinking, mate. You say there are no numbers, while you wonder why the prices be crossing the unwarranted skies; I don't see how you could pretend that there isn't any correlation between the multi-boxers, their stashes, their ability to pay far more than any average person can, which tricks the economy into thinking everyone can compensate for that massive trade limit, when clearly that massive trade limit was sustained by an illegitimate proposition between GGG and major game industries with all due economical and playability ethics.

There is a massive rooted canal between those who multi-box in a game and other games where multi-boxing isn't possible. And if the latter also doesn't possess auction houses, or third party programs that can manipulate the player's income, you'll see that the economy is perfectly balanced, while the former games happen to be disgraced and defaced by a prominent economical collapse because of the ill-willed players and the negligence of the game masters.

The economy goes to whomever has control over the ball. It doesn't matter if the players are weaker than the person with the ball, they have control, and thus that power will severely dwarf and disconfigure the entirety of balance and mutuality between the players for a lone, selfish, never-ending vicious hunger. It's a world of quicksand, and the more you fight it, the more you will cease to victor.

The only way to stop this, is to let it erode on itself, just like Rome did to itself. Then start anew, because the damage has already been done. Let it play its course, then explode into a supernova; it'll grant new life that will compensate for the life that it destroyed before its end.

Clearly economy works on supply and demand. Multi-boxing clearly overwhelms that supply, the demand clearly is inflated for the legitimate players, and manipulated by the illegitimate players.

There is no more to say at this point, guidoo. You're in denial from this point on.
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Last edited by Deceptionist#1813 on Mar 30, 2013, 9:25:20 PM
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guidoo wrote:


1) Since you don't know what percentage of the daily amount of currency that's injected into the economy comes from multiboxers, why do you feel confident in jumping to the conclusion that they affect the economy so much? Why do you assume that they have any impact without having any evidence to back your assumptions?

2) Where is the evidence that shows how multiboxing is much more efficient than anything else?


Guidoo, all you keep spewing is proof proof proof. Right back at you. Show me proof that it's not working?
The video shown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVag0662LIc
is the very beginning and this guy has not set-up his Key mapping. I have been watching my brother do it for a whole day now and for those who says it's ineffective is mislead by this video. He has made each alt a hotkey to switch Heros without ALT+TABing to each toon, he can stay on 1 toons fullscreen and simply hit hotkey F1-F5 to switch to the minimized box without bringing it up and can move that hero on his main heros screen, incredible. Basic macro skills keep all tonns aligned VERY WELL. once he gets to cruel ledge he said he will allow me to record his farming efforts with me in the party to show how it is ruining the economy and fairness of the game. He has simply done it because he's sick of getting left in the dust. Which i don't blame him, hes the cheater of the family ;)

As for all this other BS it's just everybody's opinion on how it works or doesn't work and no solid evidence is being shown, i am seeing it with my own eyes however. Hell he let me join on normal ledge runs. IT's amazing to move 100 ft and collect everybody's loot. Im going to get on here in 30 minutes and join. Hes found 14 Alchemy's since making four lvl 1 toons last nite and is only at lower prison. 3 orb of regrets. 6 Chaos hes just filling my ear with all the shit right now as i type, so unfair. I can't prove this to you yet as he wasn't recording, he was testing his Key maps. Like i said if GGG or who ever needs the proof of how MBer are farming without the unit collision or desyncing or Heros i CAN prove it. Just give me time. I will have a full scale video up within the week. possibly even tonite, since he has worked out his key mapping and unit seperation is no longer slowing him down. Stay posted.
Last edited by cchavoc#2166 on Mar 30, 2013, 9:23:25 PM
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Deceptionist wrote:


Yo, bro. What's up. I don't get what you thinking, mate. You say there are no numbers, while you wonder why the prices be crossing the unwarranted skies; I don't see how you could pretend that there isn't any correlation between the multi-boxers, their stashes, their ability to pay far more than any average person can, which tricks the economy into thinking everyone can compensate for that massive trade limit, when clearly that massive trade limit was sustained by an illegitimate proposition between GGG and major game industries with all due economical and playability ethics.


See? This is the problem. You reply to me, yet you can't answer any of my two points. I don't wonder why prices are the way they are, there's no game without inflation. What I do wonder is how you can jump to the conclusion that it is because of multiboxers when you have no way of knowing what percentage of the community multiboxes, nor the amount of currency they inject into the economy each day. I'm not pretending there isn't any relation, I'm asking what makes you think there is. No one has yet provided any proof that multi boxing is rewarding enough to allow multiboxers to pay far more than the average player, that is, again, just assumptions. And as I've already said, clearly GGG doesn't think multiboxing is a big issue either, since nothing has been done to prevent it.

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Deceptionist wrote:


There is a massive rooted canal between those who multi-box in a game and other games where multi-boxing isn't possible. And if the latter also doesn't possess auction houses, or third party programs that can manipulate the player's income, you'll see that the economy is perfectly balanced, while the former games happen to be disgraced and defaced by a prominent economical collapse because of the ill-willed players and the negligence of the game masters.

There's no game with a balanced economy.


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Deceptionist wrote:


Clearly economy works on supply and demand. Multi-boxing clearly overwhelms that supply; the demand clearly is inflated for the legitimate players and manipulated by the illegitimate players.

There is no more to say at this point, guidoo. You're in denial from this point on.


Again, just more opinions worded as facts with zero evidence to back them up. You can call it denial if you want, doesn't change the fact that burden of proof is upon those making the claim, and that burden has yet to be satisfied.


Spoiler
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cchavoc wrote:

Guidoo, all you keep spewing is proof proof proof. Right back at you. Show me proof that it's not working?
The video shown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVag0662LIc
is the very beginning and this guy has not set-up his Key mapping. I have been watching my brother do it for a whole day now and for those who says it's ineffective is mislead by this video. He has made each alt a hotkey to switch Heros without ALT+TABing to each toon, he can stay on 1 toons fullscreen and simply hit hotkey F1-F5 to switch to the minimized box without bringing it up and can move that hero on his main heros screen, incredible. Basic macro skills keep all tonns aligned VERY WELL. once he gets to cruel ledge he said he will allow me to record his farming efforts with me in the party to show how it is ruining the economy and fairness of the game. He has simply done it because he's sick of getting left in the dust. Which i don't blame him, hes the cheater of the family ;)

As for all this other BS it's just everybody's opinion on how it works or doesn't work and no solid evidence is being shown, i am seeing it with my own eyes however. Hell he let me join on normal ledge runs. IT's amazing to move 100 ft and collect everybody's loot. Im going to get on here in 30 minutes and join. Hes found 14 Alchemy's since making four lvl 1 toons last nite and is only at lower prison. 3 orb of regrets. 6 Chaos hes just filling my ear with all the shit right now as i type, so unfair. I can't prove this to you yet as he wasn't recording, he was testing his Key maps. Like i said if GGG or who ever needs the proof of how MBer are farming without the unit collision or desyncing or Heros i CAN prove it. Just give me time. I will have a full scale video up within the week. possibly even tonite, since he has worked out his key mapping and unit seperation is no longer slowing him down. Stay posted.


Ahh cool, you've seen it with your own eyes. Seems good enough.
Let me know once you actually have the video, for now it's just more of 'the friend of a friend did it and he has 20 chaos' bullshit.

Anyways, I won't even bother to keep reading replies until people who make these claims are able to answer both points:

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guidoo wrote:

1) Since you don't know what percentage of the daily amount of currency that's injected into the economy comes from multiboxers, why do you feel confident in jumping to the conclusion that they affect the economy so much? Why do you assume that they have any impact without having any evidence to back your assumptions?

2) Where is the evidence that shows how multiboxing is much more efficient than anything else?


Until then

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guidoo wrote:


Until then


No.
You will never see a man faking anger, passion and relentless behavior.

You will always see a man faking love, politeness and respectful behavior.
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guidoo wrote:
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Deceptionist wrote:
There is a massive rooted canal between those who multi-box in a game and other games where multi-boxing isn't possible. And if the latter also doesn't possess auction houses, or third party programs that can manipulate the player's income, you'll see that the economy is perfectly balanced, while the former games happen to be disgraced and defaced by a prominent economical collapse because of the ill-willed players and the negligence of the game masters.
There's no game with a balanced economy.
Translation: Let's give up, it's impossible.

Fuck that. I imagine if you set the standard for "balanced" high enough, yes, but some in-game economies are clearly more balanced than others. Perfection is not the standard here; competence is.

If you had shot back to Deceptionist with "there is not such thing as a perfectly balanced economy"... well, that'd be true, and I'd nod and that would be the end of it. However, you saying "there is no such thing as a balanced economy" -- no qualifier -- basically tells me you don't give a shit if the economy in this game goes to hell, and you will make suggestions and predictions in accordance with that stance.
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- + _ ~ - _ | ) Guidoo's Asinine Adventures ( | _ - ~ _ + -

Stage 1: "I won't listen, until you have "numbers". ??? -
Spoiler
*Decides to make up their own numerical assumptions, such as saying that this imaginary number they say doesn't exist, is imaginary enough for them to make this very statement*: "Multi-boxing wouldn't make an impact on the economy." - Guidoo

There wasn't an explanation for his statement that requires "numbers" to make -- "numbers" he didn't have; the same Guidoo that expects us to give him an explanation with "numbers", when there is enough evidence that supports the damage multi-boxing does to our economy without the need for "numbers" -- they would only serve as a evidential cherry on top of an economical nightmare that is destroyed by both, multi-boxing and any illegitimate trading, just like the lobbyists, the republicans, the liberals, the democrats and the president are all wrong. Guidoo is clearly someone that doesn't want to face the facts -- that you don't have to have solid evidence to know how consequences and after-effects allign themselves with or without our own ability to break down the information gathered into an emperical conclusion.


Regards,

Check mate
You will never see a man faking anger, passion and relentless behavior.

You will always see a man faking love, politeness and respectful behavior.
Last edited by Deceptionist#1813 on Mar 30, 2013, 10:07:40 PM
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Deceptionist wrote:
- + _ ~ - _ | ) Guidoo's Asinine Adventures ( | _ - ~ _ + -

Stage 1: "I won't listen, until you have "numbers". ??? -
Spoiler
*Decides to make up their own numerical assumptions, such as saying that this imaginary number they say doesn't exist, is imaginary enough for them to make this very statement*: "Multi-boxing wouldn't make an impact on the economy." - Guidoo

There wasn't an explanation for his statement that requires "numbers" to make -- "numbers" he didn't have; the same Guidoo that expects us to give him an explanation with "numbers", when there is enough evidence that supports the damage multi-boxing does to our economy without the need for "numbers" -- they would only serve as a evidential cherry on top of an economical nightmare that is destroyed by both, multi-boxing and any illegitimate trading, just like the lobbyists, the republicans, the liberals, the democrats and the president are all wrong. Guidoo is clearly someone that doesn't want to face the facts -- that you don't have to have solid evidence to know how consequences and after-effects allign themselves with or without our own ability to break down the information gathered into an emperical conclusion.


Regards,

Check mate


Clearly he is a multiboxer as well, otherwise why would he defend them so much?

If you aren't multiboxing and you believe that multiboxing doesn't affect the economy, why not let the people who want multiboxing gone have their way? After all, you aren't affected anyway since "multiboxing doesn't affect the economy". Right?

Oh right, any actions against multiboxers affect you, so you insist on your arguments that it's fine and should be left alone.
....Yawn...same old discussion we have been having since POE began....

Muli-boxers are evil, multi-boxers are pay2win, multi-boxers are ruining the economy, multi-boxers are the devil....

Run....the sky is falling...must be a multi-boxer....

Can't be anything logical, like say inflation, noooo, must be multi-boxers...

oh and of course Hardcore flooding the SC economy....

Yeah, that too, multi-boxers and HC. Twin evils.

No, actually it must be RMT, yes, that's it RMT.

RMT, multi-boxers and HC. They are ruining the POE economy, because you know, the POE economy is not ever going to experience inflation...

With those 3 out of the way, the economy would be perfectly balanced because, you know, every orb going into the game must of course magically disappear from the game as well....

/sarcasm

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