Introduce something like trade-ban

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jack_aubrey wrote:

Can't trade or use a portal while doing the following:

Delve, Lab, lab trials in maps, Heists?, Simulacrum in maps, Alva missions in maps, breach encounters, Blight encounters, Legion, Shaper, Elder, Uber Elder, Sirus, conqueror guardians in their arena, playing in a group, and probably more that I'm forgetting.

There are 2 different categories of situations here:
First - happen by accident and rarely take more then few minutes (such as alva, breach, trail, etc). In this case you just reply after you are done and no problem - in older leagues, while economy was not as broken to the hell as now, you in most cases got reply in no more than 1-2 minutes. But now if you not got a reply in 10 seconds there is a very, very small chance that you will get it at all. Max reply time in this league was aroun half a minute. Others just not reply at all. It's ok to not answer immidietly, but it's not ok to ignore. Be responsible for your words - if you said you are selling - do it, sell the item. Or do not say, that you are selling.

Second - always predictable, you KNOW you are going to elder/shaper/etc. In this case there is even easier solution - autoreply or dnd.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

There isn't a rule that you have to trade anything you have listed.

This is exact point, that I'm talking about. Such rule should exist. To prevent trolls, prisefixers or other people, using trade not in a way it's intendent.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

Anyway, this will never happen, just like AH or cross-instance trading.

There is a good reason that AH will never happen - it will extremely boost farmer-bots. We can't afford it, especially in current situation, while game is overwhelm by farmer-bots, trade-sniping bots, retrade-bots, RMT and all this shit!
Cross-instance trading is a good idea - and they have already experimented with limited stash-access in harvest league. I think it will be cool some similar access to stash with ability to only trade items (and when you in an area, where there is no stash access - you can't trade from your inventory to prevenе item transfer bypassing portals limit).

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

This idea is terrible, for the exact reason you yourself pointed out. If I list a Sundance right now in Heist, I am guaranteed to be messaged by literally dozens of bots within the first minute, and in some cases this league the bots have continued messaging me long after the item in question was sold. Per your idea, I would be unable to sell ANYTHING for a week, even though I did literally nothing wrong?

As I said - it's another problem, and yes, it should be resolved first.

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plaguefear wrote:

IF trade bots were banned id quit in a heartbeat.

Problem is not trade bots, that just sell somone's fairly farmed items (which are breaking rules anyway), problem is bots, who farm for RMT, sniping items or buying all copies of some item to put it in trade at unreal price.

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RedTEXHIK wrote:

This is exact point, that I'm talking about. Such rule should exist. To prevent trolls, prisefixers or other people, using trade not in a way it's intendent.

No, it shouldn't. The current state of trade is much better than being removed from trade because of not wanting to waste the time and leaving the map/making response for 1c trade.

Even from the buyer perspective, I prefer the current system, with your "system" 80% of sellers would be removed from trade site and 50% of remaining would sell only the expensive items, instead of listing everything like now and selling cheap items in 10% of cases. It's not that hard to just copy-paste trade message to first 10 sellers anyway.

I hope that every person that msg me twice about same item while I do heist will get banned. /s



I pick who I want to reply to/trade with and when.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

not wanting to waste the time and leaving the map/making response for 1c trade.

So I have a question:
Why you have this offer?!

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Nomancs wrote:

I hope that every person that msg me twice about same item while I do heist will get banned.

/dnd or /autoreply is your choice

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RedTEXHIK wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

I hope that every person that msg me twice about same item while I do heist will get banned.

/dnd or /autoreply is your choice

No, I want my friends to be able to msg me

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RedTEXHIK wrote:

/dnd or /autoreply is your choice

So they have to waste their time on setting an autoreply every time before map/heist/simulacrum? That's quite bad idea and would discourage a lot of players from trading at all.
Also right now you're going to toilet and could lost a trade, with that system you're going to toilet and getting banned for a week...

If the seller wants to trade, they invite the buyer.
If they don't, they don't invite.
This is quite simple and works great. I just usually whisper the first 10 from the list and getting an item from the first responder. I don't actually like the useless messages like "I'm in Map", because it doesn't change anything for me. I'm still not getting invite from that seller, and I'm not going to wait anyway, I'll just buy from another one.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

So they have to waste their time on setting an autoreply every time before map/heist/simulacrum? That's quite bad idea and would discourage a lot of players from trading at all.

And that's good, because they won't trade anyway. We only lose invalid trades, that never happen - which is exactly what we need.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

Also right now you're going to toilet and could lost a trade, with that system you're going to toilet and getting banned for a week...

You can reply when you came back. If you afk for too long, AFK status will be enabled automatically by the game client, if not - you can reply all trades in that period with no problem

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_Daybit_ wrote:

If the seller wants to trade, they invite the buyer.
If they don't, they don't invite.
This is quite simple and works great. I just usually whisper the first 10 from the list and getting an item from the first responder.

It's not work great. Farming copy-paste messages is not what the game is about and ten minutes of 40-50 times tabbing in game and back a single fucking map is not the thing we want to see when playing PoE.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

I don't actually like the useless messages like "I'm in Map", because it doesn't change anything for me. I'm still not getting invite from that seller, and I'm not going to wait anyway, I'll just buy from another one.

You know, that you'll get invite in a few minutes, so you could do other things or buy another item now and then get invite and buy what you need. You could doo interesting things and play the GAME instead of grinding copy-pastes. I always wait if I get reply. Because I come here to play the game, not copy-as-much-as-you-can-in-a-minute.

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Nomancs wrote:

No, I want my friends to be able to msg me

They could message you with autoreply without any problem.

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RedTEXHIK wrote:

if not - you can reply all trades in that period with no problem

I'll not do that, you know.
There is 1% chance that the buyer didn't get the item from another seller while I was in the toilet. I just accept that I lost the item.

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RedTEXHIK wrote:

It's not work great. Farming copy-paste messages is not what the game is about and ten minutes of 40-50 times tabbing in game and back a single fucking map is not the thing we want to see when playing PoE.

It takes me 30 seconds to copy-paste 10 messages from official trade site - manually, without any kind of macros/addons/overlays.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

I always wait if I get reply. Because I come here to play the game, not copy-as-much-as-you-can-in-a-minute.

I'll get the item faster and would be able to play the game with the copy-paste method though.

One solution to "seller is doing something and cannot respond" would be to temporarily add a person you just PMed to your social tab (max 1 pesron, most recent PM) so you can see, like for all your other friends, if he is in a lab, delve or heist, though it doesn't solve the problem of being in a map with timed league mechanics, unless the info gets expanded.

Other than that trading in POE is a free market with all the pros and cons. No one is forced to do shit, though when trying to buy or sell stuff price fixers, currency exchangers, lowballers and common asshats are infuriating it boils down to shitty people.

When buying don't go for lowest price, just like in real life - when it is too cheap to be true, it probably isn't.
When selling, well, tough luck. Dealing with plain stupid or entitled customers is part of a gig.

As for bots and in turn resulting RMT and globax price fixing schemes GGG has to set and enforce their rules even at a cost of pissing of a few more players than they already did. There is no time like today to try and experiment with new systems to prevent this sort of thing, it is safer to potentially make mistakes on a game that is slowly exiting the stage than risking it all when POE 2 comes out.