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Remicaster1 wrote:
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This is false, I used to believe this statement too but it turns out i'm wrong.
Both of them are identical. If you hit 100% reduced or 100% less, you are both immune to that particular source.
For example here I take 100 damage, and I have 80% reduced damage taken, then i grab another 20% reduced damage taken
It will be : 100 * (1 - (80 + 20)/100) = 0
Guess I don't need to explain 100% less right? But yeah you get the point. It's unlike your offensive stats. And since they are multiplicative to each other, they are actually less valuable in terms of mitigating damage because it is difficult to get 100% with multiplication
Edit : If you don't believe my statement, you can try this out on PoB. Made this for ya - https://pastebin.com/C2ESVmjG
Where you go wrong is assuming that you are finished with the reduced calculation. Put on an abyssus helmet and see how your 100% reduced physical reflect calculation looks.
If you have increased damage taken, it's done on the same calculation, not separate calculations. For instance you are using abyssus with 50% increase :
100 * (1 - (80 + 20 - 50)/100) = 100 * (1- 50/100)
= 100 * (0.5)
= 50 reflected damage
Do note that on PoB, reflected damage is also affected by resistance and PDR
Yeah, that was exactly my point. I was directly saying your declaration that 100% reduced is the exact same thing as 100% less was not true because it was not the end of the calculation since increased mods have to be included.
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Posted byzmark1030z#7980on Aug 25, 2020, 1:32:22 PM
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Without any sources of increased reflected elemental damage, 100% reduced is Ele reflect immunity. Anyway I’ve already solved the mystery after more than 3 days of googling, testing and discussions. Issue is with unnatural instinct interaction with exposure tolerance. In that regard, maybe PoE ninja’s skill tree isn’t bugged after all cos it shows one small node allocated next to unnatural when i actually allocated it for charges generation much further below. Prob something with the coding or old skill tree placements that deactivates one of the small nodes leading to exposure tolerance cos the game thinks it has been allocated (how unnatural works)
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Posted byExponentMach#7873on Aug 25, 2020, 7:25:51 PM
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This doesn't appear to be the case, at least for me. You can see what Unnatural Instinct grants you by mousing over it and reading the tooltip. For me, it's showing 30% reduced Reflected Elemental Damage taken in that spot.
Do you mind showing the same tooltip?
It doesn't seem like this has to do with Unnatural Instinct at all.
I have tested this with Sibyl's Lament in the left ring slot for 80% + the listed 30% from Unnatural Instinct and do not take reflected elemental damage with no other modifiers to damage taken. |
Posted bytaggedjc#2661on Aug 26, 2020, 12:53:08 AM
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This doesn't appear to be the case, at least for me. You can see what Unnatural Instinct grants you by mousing over it and reading the tooltip. For me, it's showing 30% reduced Reflected Elemental Damage taken in that spot.
Do you mind showing the same tooltip?
It doesn't seem like this has to do with Unnatural Instinct at all.
I have tested this with Sibyl's Lament in the left ring slot for 80% + the listed 30% from Unnatural Instinct and do not take reflected elemental damage with no other modifiers to damage taken.
Tooltip is the same (shows 30%) but thats not what im experiencing in ele reflect maps.
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Posted byExponentMach#7873on Aug 27, 2020, 5:28:35 AM
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bump.
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Posted byExponentMach#7873on Aug 30, 2020, 8:50:41 PM
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bump.
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Posted byExponentMach#7873on Sep 1, 2020, 9:41:34 PM
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ExponentMach wrote:
I have 7 of these implicits (6 on medium clusters and 1 on unnatural instinct), and another 30% from unnatural instinct, giving me 100% reduced reflected elemental damage.
Ran an ele reflect chimera map (reflected ele dmg not increased by sextants) and killed myself on my own spark. Tried offscreening mobs to ensure no debuffs like unnerve on me and used a warding flask to remove ele weakness on hit from gloves but nothing work.
Tried to do atziri in alva temple and same thing - killed myself instantly. I suspect that the implicit is not working properly. Should be easily reproducible on any ele reflect map.
UPDATE: Implicits work as intended. Unnatural instinct next to exposure tolerance is the part that's bugged. Only gives 15% instead of 30% reduced reflected elemental damage. When I added in 2 more jewels with 10% red implicit or Soul of Yugul, i was "immune". But when I only added in 1 jewel. I still killed myself.
Video of Chimera map: https://discord.com/channels/645607528297922560/666519736007262240/747442866909085839
Thanks for your report, we've found the problem, it seems that the 10% Reduced Reflected Damage taken on the jewel isn't working, this only occurs if there are unallocated Reduced Reflected Damage taken passive skills within the radius of Unnatural Instinct.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Posted byJatin_GGGon Sep 1, 2020, 10:57:54 PMGrinding Gear Games
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Fixed a bug which caused the unique jewel Unnatural Instinct to ignore its implicit if a small passive in its radius had the same stat.
Problem: impostor syndrome
Solution: nerf everything
Result: depressing mess
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Posted bya_z0_9#4860on Jan 12, 2021, 4:55:36 PM
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