Unnatural instinct next to exposure tolerance only gives 15% red reflected ele dmg

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HanSoloDK wrote:

100% REDUCED ele ref is not enough to make you ELE ref immune.

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Remicaster1 wrote:

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ExponentMach wrote:

I have 7 of these implicits (6 on medium clusters and 1 on unnatural instinct), and another 30% from unnatural instinct, giving me 100% reduced reflected elemental damage.

Ran an ele reflect chimera map (reflected ele dmg reflected not increased by sextants) and killed myself on my own spark. Tried offscreening mobs to ensure no debuffs like unnerve on me and used a warding flask to remove ele weakness on hit from gloves but nothing work.

Tried to do atziri in alva temple and same thing - killed myself instantly. I suspect that the implicit is not working properly. Should be easily reproducible on any ele reflect map.

I have doubts that you got some increased damage taken modifiers somewhere but I can't track it down.

Edit : Think I might have found it, when you are doing Chimera, by any chance you are doing a shocked map?

When you are killing atziri, did you have your warding flask up? Because atziri reflects your curses

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a_z0_9 wrote:

Awesome build.

My assumption would be: somehow add 30% reduced Reflected Elemental Damage taken more, and test it again - if you won't die to reflect - the issue is Exposure Tolerance cluster interaction with Unnatural Instinct.

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Remicaster1 wrote:

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HanSoloDK wrote:

100% REDUCED ele ref is not enough to make you ELE ref immune.

This is false, I used to believe this statement too but it turns out i'm wrong.

Both of them are identical. If you hit 100% reduced or 100% less, you are both immune to that particular source.

For example here I take 100 damage, and I have 80% reduced damage taken, then i grab another 20% reduced damage taken

It will be : 100 * (1 - (80 + 20)/100) = 0

Guess I don't need to explain 100% less right? But yeah you get the point. It's unlike your offensive stats. And since they are multiplicative to each other, they are actually less valuable in terms of mitigating damage because it is difficult to get 100% with multiplication

Edit : If you don't believe my statement, you can try this out on PoB. Made this for ya - https://pastebin.com/C2ESVmjG

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ExponentMach wrote:

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Remicaster1 wrote:

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ExponentMach wrote:

I have 7 of these implicits (6 on medium clusters and 1 on unnatural instinct), and another 30% from unnatural instinct, giving me 100% reduced reflected elemental damage.

Ran an ele reflect chimera map (reflected ele dmg reflected not increased by sextants) and killed myself on my own spark. Tried offscreening mobs to ensure no debuffs like unnerve on me and used a warding flask to remove ele weakness on hit from gloves but nothing work.

Tried to do atziri in alva temple and same thing - killed myself instantly. I suspect that the implicit is not working properly. Should be easily reproducible on any ele reflect map.

I have doubts that you got some increased damage taken modifiers somewhere but I can't track it down.

Edit : Think I might have found it, when you are doing Chimera, by any chance you are doing a shocked map?

When you are killing atziri, did you have your warding flask up? Because atziri reflects your curses

Video of me dying to ele reflect in chimera map - no sextants, no shocked ground no unnerve or debuffs cos i was offscreening mobs + warding flask up:
https://discord.com/channels/645607528297922560/666519736007262240/747442866909085839

Yes, warding flask was up before i cast anything against atziri in temple.

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zmark1030z wrote:

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Remicaster1 wrote:

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HanSoloDK wrote:

100% REDUCED ele ref is not enough to make you ELE ref immune.

This is false, I used to believe this statement too but it turns out i'm wrong.

Both of them are identical. If you hit 100% reduced or 100% less, you are both immune to that particular source.

For example here I take 100 damage, and I have 80% reduced damage taken, then i grab another 20% reduced damage taken

It will be : 100 * (1 - (80 + 20)/100) = 0

Guess I don't need to explain 100% less right? But yeah you get the point. It's unlike your offensive stats. And since they are multiplicative to each other, they are actually less valuable in terms of mitigating damage because it is difficult to get 100% with multiplication

Edit : If you don't believe my statement, you can try this out on PoB. Made this for ya - https://pastebin.com/C2ESVmjG

Where you go wrong is assuming that you are finished with the reduced calculation. Put on an abyssus helmet and see how your 100% reduced physical reflect calculation looks.

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If you have increased damage taken, it's done on the same calculation, not separate calculations. For instance you are using abyssus with 50% increase :

100 * (1 - (80 + 20 - 50)/100) = 100 * (1- 50/100)
= 100 * (0.5)
= 50 reflected damage

Do note that on PoB, reflected damage is also affected by resistance and PDR


This calculation is correct.

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Unnatural instinct next to exposure tolerance only gives 15% instead of 30% reduced reflected elemental damage