Imagine Telling the Devs To Scrap Another League, Again (Harvest ̶i̶s̶ was Amazing for Many Reasons)

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You may be right, maybe there is room for the garden mini game and maybe they want to find a way to implement it without the massive power gains it gives now, and maybe there is room for the crafting power but they want to find a way to integrate it into core gameplay rather than a side activity.

Not sure what you mean by it becoming a part of the core gameplay rather than side activity. I think they just don't think it makes sense to spawn it like a breach encounter and want some other way of interacting with it.

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drklrd wrote:

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Aeon42 wrote:

People who grinded thousands and thousands of seeds will tell you that its broken.

Did you grind thousands of seeds? And are you telling us its broken?


If the amount of "augment" and "remove" would drop as pure ex and anuls you'd still be able to craft similar stuff.

If I got as many exalts as I did the "augment", "remove", and "remove then augment" seeds, I'd still not gamble and brick my gear.

The big difference between the seed crafts and gambling is that you're guaranteed to get the result with the former. Meanwhile, exalts will give you practically anything and annul will remove practically anything. And it will cost you a FUCKTON of currency to do it.

You'd be safer trading for it, but fuck trading and the price fixers who pollute it.

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drklrd wrote:

This has been in the game before. It was called Eternal Orbs and GGG removed it, for the same reasons they are removing it now.

And this is getting scrapped? It's not even getting scrapped 100%, it's getting the same treatment as incursion where it's coming back in the future.

"In short, Harvest will not immediately become a core gameplay mechanic but may be reintroduced in the future."
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2924277

"The Orb of Annulment provides great risk to high end crafting, but also the potential for great results while adding a new wrinkle in the path to great items. We knew that this item had great risk associated with adding it, especially when used in Standard league with Eternal Orbs. It turned out to be a fine addition to the game. Players had many great moments, and also some terrible results, giving it a similar feel to the Vaal Orb in crafting. Its ability to sometimes salvage an almost-great item makes it an appealing addition to the core game. We will add this as a currency drop in the core game."

"The Ancient Orb was not of great interest, except in cases where it provided the most value, and shortcut access to the most chase items. We feel the shortcut it provides is too great, therefore it will not be added to the core game."

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025619


"Due to the league being such a success, we have worked out a plan to add it to the core game. This will be included in December's 3.5.0 update, not in the September Delve release."

[Incursion was 3.3] [Delve was 3.4]
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2197247

GGG also said they're going to "balance" Harvest crafting and remove some of the crafts too. IF it comes back, it'll be less than a shadow of its former self.

Nothing else you've said detracted from what I said. Anything involving the use of currency to craft is gambling. You don't get to control what gets removed or added, you're merely throwing rare and expensive currencies at something in the hopes you get the mods you want.

Harvest bucked the gambling tremendously with deterministic crafting and now it's going away. It'll be back, but it'll be some toothless, lifeless system that's been neutered for the sake of protecting "mUh EcUnUmI".

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MLGonthorian wrote:

Of course, it most likely was a majority/group decision to "reintroduce Harvest in the future" aka giving it the Synthesis treatment where it ends up not even recognizable of what it once was, but imagine telling the main dev team who worked on the artwork, programming, balancing, etc. to create Harvest "you know what, you know all that content, blood sweat and tears, balancing, artwork, content, etc. you worked on for 5-6 months that everyone enjoys and wants to stay?

Not many enjoy Harvest. This is your opinion.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Not many enjoy Harvest. This is your opinion.

False, unfortunately. A lot of players actually enjoy and love Harvest and there were polls on Twitter and Reddit saying how Harvest is actually one of the best leagues in a while, but what can you do, some have strong opinions and try unfairly labeling "all of the community" as having the same opinion as yours.

People loved Harvest not just for the crafting of weapons and armor but the fun gathering of seeds and making your garden aspect as well, not to mention the other aspects that are not harmful to the game like changing colors, sockets, links, infused beacheads, infused labs, belt enchants, etc.

And don't even get me started on the players who either did not even try Harvest or have little to no challenges, meaning they did not bother to even engage with the league mechanic and they are going to go on here and tell that "league is bad" when they did not even bother trying out the league or tried it for a very short amount of time without an open mind and decided "oh, too complicated/not simple enough for me" or "I don't like the deviance from regular killing where it doesn't take much thinking"

I think it's players like you who are pessimistic and can't see the good in a league like this that prevent any actual creative and fun progress to be made in the game and instead, we are limited to only leagues that involve killing things mindlessly without putting in much thought into anything, which is fun for a while don't get me wrong, but it does get rather bothering after a while. That is why a lot of people enjoy Hideout Decorating as well.

The more side activities that there are to do in the game, the better and even GGG knows this, because in their post: (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2924277),
they literally tell you that they would like Harvest to go core, but they just can't CURRENTLY because either it would take too much time for them to balance or they can't divide their full attention to it at this time. Either way, Harvest will be core one day eventually, whether you claim to not enjoy it or not. They are not just going to throw away this much content that was made with it, same as with Synthesis, it was brought back in one way or another.

Are you suprised?

League that goes core now or in the future (any patch, any poeX)

- Drop rates nerfed to oblivion to make the current league interesting and "better"

- 10% content meme

- Mobs and features bugged because they keep adding every single league to core in addition to other leagues having a chance to proc as well.

Synthesis was a clear proof that some of the things that go core are pointless.

For only bottled faith synthesis went core? like.. everyone knows that the synthesiser was 51% of the league mechanic aside from the memory nexus.

Harvest CRAFTING was good. Everything else about it was trash. I absolutely LOATHE that I have to build and physically plant anything. Having to design the garden was a 100% barrier to entry. I completely and utterly refused to do anything other than low level seeds.

I sold all seeds to players, planted nothing, it was Standard league.

The bullshit behind harvest is NOT what I signed up for when trying to play an ARPG.

I want a brain off, right click exclusive experience. All I want to know about this game ever is "Hold right click".

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Rakie1337 wrote:

Harvest CRAFTING was good. Everything else about it was trash.

People might say this, but like I've said previously, this is the same type of thing people complained about with labyrinth when it first came out because they were not yet used to it, etc. Where people just say they like the enchant and ascendancy point system but don't want it to be locked behind doing the labyrinth. Well, that seems rather boring if you ask me. How would you rather engage with the mechanic? Just killing monsters to get the crafts without the garden instead? Or do you just want the rewards from doing the labyrinth or something like the garden crafts be handed to you instead without doing the actual labyrinth or gardening mechanic? Because if so, you limit the game down to just killing things as usual, which is fun for a while, but it gets boring eventually.

Same thing goes for hideout decorating, it all comes down to just having more options or more side content to do in the game. I think people are just hesitant with change too much when it's something fun and creative that they are not used to. Then when it gets taken away, only then do people realize what they truly had.

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MLGonthorian wrote:

People might say this, but like I've said previously, this is the same type of thing people complained about with labyrinth when it first came out because they were not yet used to it, etc. Where people just say they like the enchant and ascendancy point system but don't want it to be locked behind doing the labyrinth. Well, that seems rather boring if you ask me. How would you rather engage with the mechanic? Just killing monsters to get the crafts without the garden instead? Or do you just want the rewards from doing the labyrinth or something like the garden crafts be handed to you instead without doing the actual labyrinth or gardening mechanic? Because if so, you limit the game down to just killing things as usual, which is fun for a while, but it gets boring eventually.

Same thing goes for hideout decorating, it all comes down to just having more options or more side content to do in the game. I think people are just hesitant with change too much when it's something fun and creative that they are not used to. Then when it gets taken away, only then do people realize what they truly had.

I don't understand the level of masochism necessary to replay old content. I will NEVER do incursion ever again. Been there, done that. I will NOT delve anymore, did enough for a lifetime. I will NOT pop ANY legion stones. I won't bother will delirium.

Do it during league, and move on forever. So harvest for me, was a nothing league, because I refuse to interact with content I'm bored with already.

I know a lot of people here are fine eating the same meal every day with no variation for years on end. I'm not. I require a brand new, totally fresh experience. And if it can't be good, it might as well be breach. Holding right click is literally what ARPG's are supposed to be about.

Chris Wilson said before Harvest even launched it likely wouldn’t go core because it was too powerful...Plus, Harvest has terrible retention.