What does this game offer over Diablo III?

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Flytheelephant wrote:

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EpsiIon wrote:

Are you stalking me?

Absolutely :3

Great. Theres a flying elephant stalking me.

I give up.

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EpsiIon wrote:

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Flytheelephant wrote:

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EpsiIon wrote:

Are you stalking me?

Absolutely :3

Great. Theres a flying elephant stalking me.

I give up.

Thank you for the up. I already have a lot of ups, mabye someday I can sell them in bulk for a Mirror of Kalandra.

Get a room you guys.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Very well written, but not really correct. And we have sufficiently (I believe) discussed elsewhere the ability of a savvy, experienced gamer to know from the first hour or two of a game whether they will enjoy the next XX hours or not. And Diablo 3 is very unlikely to change in basic gameplay style, character development and aesthetics beyond the first third of the first act. What is referred to as the closed beta but functions more as a demo really is the foundation of the rest of the game. What you learn there is the beginning of what you'll be doing from there in: how skills are unlocked, allocated, leveled up; how gear is acquired, crafted, sold; and what the NPC interaction will be like.

I've played both betas extensively, whereas you are relying on the videos of one. I acknowledge that limitation, just as I would not comment on Diablo 3 beta vs PoE if I hadn't played both in various iterations thus far. I simply wouldn't.

The problem with D3 is still the fact that players do not have any real idea on how the harder difficulties will play or what impact skills or crafting will have during gameplay. Sure, you could speculate on exactly what these things will provide to the game or how they will affect gameplay but the fact remains there is no concrete evidence.

I am also confused as to how one could like the basic gameplay style of PoE and dislike that of Diablo 3 given they are exactly the same style at the roots: Hack-n-Slash, dungeon crawlers with the ultimate goal of collecting gear and using skills to overcome difficult challenges. NPC interaction is the same in both games from what I have played (D3) and seen in video (PoE) so I am, again, confused as to how someone could prefer one over the other here as well.

Diablo 3 does have character development; however, it comes in the form of what gear you use and how one uses their skills and runes to conquer monsters. Runes will change the way skills are used and how they work, allowing players to create builds based off of finding gear to compliment a certain skill/rune build. This is similar to how support gems work in PoE, from my understanding. I disagree that character development in D3 will remain the same throughout the entire game from Act 1 till the end as more skills and runes the player unlocks allows for different builds, or different characters, just like finding more skills or support gems changes how PoE will play for an individual.

While a savvy, experienced gamer would be able to speculate on what Diablo 3 could be like at later stages, it is impossible to decipher what the game will be like beyond mere speculation until we, as gamers, are allowed the opportunity to play further into it.

Ultimately both PoE and D3 are similar in the fact that players' characters are defined on what gear they wear, what skills they use, and how that player conquers the game's challenges. The only difference is the road said player travels to reach their destination.

Based on my impression of the Diablo 3 beta thus far, and being a fan of the first two I will say this:

The Good:

-The visuals continue to have a dark Gothic feeling that keeps formula with previous games. (yes I like the graphics and don't care that they are considered "old and dated" by some people)

-Interesting new Character selection

The Bad:

- Adding useless things like kill streaks is just plain stupid. Last time I checked this was a dark fantasy action RPG, not Call of Duty.

- Removing the option to directly modify your stats.

- Gems and runes should be Found in the form of random drops not predictably given to you as your progress through the story.

The Ugly:

- MUST be ONLINE in order to play SINGLE PLAYER.. yeah control issues much? A game doesn't feel quite YOURS when they tell you you cant play during server maintenance or if your traveling and do not have internet access. There is NO reason for this beyond "fighting piracy". DRM bs anyone?

- Shamelessly plagiarizes dialogue from Movies and other video games. Blizzard was known for its creativity. WTF happened?

- Borrows HEAVILY from wow. I do not like wow. At all.

-Match Making is.. terrible.

That being said, I still plan to play Diablo 3, but all of the things that made Diablo 2 addictive and retain its REPLAY value for over 10 years are gone now and I suspect I will not be playing D3 nearly as long as the last two. I hope I'm wrong and that the beta is not a reflection of the final product. I keep my fingers crossed and hope Blizzard didn't sacrifice my favorite series to the dark gods of corporate greed.

The stat modification system has only improved from the previous game.

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Tagek wrote:

The stat modification system has only improved from the previous game.

Thats what you think. Its not better, its difrent.

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Tagek wrote:

The stat modification system has only improved from the previous game.

If you call removing improving that is :p
Blizzard did not improve stat modification, they removed stat modification.
They made sure that you can't make mistakes or choose wieard modifications of your stats.
They made sure that the stupid could play and still do as well as the best players by removing the option of modification.
That is the modification you like.

Well, that is why I'll stick with PoE. IMO that is one of the strong points of this game. The option to control my own character. The option to fail or succeed by my own hand. The option to experiment with my character. The options to simply have to choose.
This game gives you the feeling of actually evolve your character.
IMO that feeling is make or brake in an RPG for me. If you can’t choose how your character evolves, then it is no longer an RPG. It is then a FPS in a top down view.

That is what Diablo 3 is to me. A FPS in a top down view.

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Tommerbob wrote:

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miljan wrote:

If he find it by playing the game, thats fair, if he find it by buying it, its not fair.

Okay so, if a player finds a 6 linked item and uses it, that is totally fair. But if a player finds a 6 linked item and decides to trade it to another player, that is not fair?

Nice double-standard.

To trade it to another person, that another person needs to give you somthing from game. If he doesnt play the game, he cant give you anything, but pays you money. So, he gets a advantage over people that play the game only becouse he has money. That is just simple not fair.
I see people dont understand the basic thing:
To advance in game and on PoE ladder you need to invest time and play it. If you buy a item with money, becouse you cant with other items as you dont invest that much time as other, you will advance much faster than the other person. You pay for advantage. That is exactly what GGG doesnt want becouse its not fair.

A few differences in PoE vs D3:

- D3 actualy has a real story and lore.

- D3 grafix look more like torchlight than d2 so PoE has the edge here with a darker atmosphere.

- D3 seems easier in first difficulties but what gives it the edge is that skill/speed in char controll is more rewarding and combat mechanics are more fluild and work overall better than PoE clunkiness. Not to mention the D3 boss mechanics which add a lot of depth and entertainment to those fights. I didn't see much diversity in PoE's boss mechanics.

- PoE skill "tree" seems more interresting but it still needs a ton of work along with other unfinished/ not properly tweeked features that keep it from being as good as it can be. On the other side the D3 skill system and runes are indeed really dumb.

- As social aspects go, D3 is rubish again with the 4 players games and the overall shitty chat services in Battle.net 2.0.




But, the most important thing that really made the difference for me in deciding why I'll play more D3 even after all the things I dislike about it is replayability.
After I finished PoE first difficulty I never even logged back again, unlike D3 where I farmed SK for 2 days in row with small breaks. The boss fights in D3 are too adicting for me ( I can only imagine how much more epic the act bosses will be) and actualy make you run those places over and over similar to D2.