Minion Builds Need a Nerf

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IAmBetterThanSirus wrote:

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Universalis wrote:

Mine is redemption sentries with 2x clusters, still not doing 3 but i have 10k ES.
Considering i dont need to aim anything and that it clears screen in less than a second.

let me know yours 300M dps for 5 ex please

Link in my sig

300mln dps sentries in harvest with 12k ES, you can easly google it

your link is item in standard that is unusable(so it is trash) in league - I would't even pay 1c for a standard item (as I don't play standard, always 40/40 league)

You have nothing to bring here. No link, not infos, zero.
Looking for terror aurabot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ners1AzmAk0
build alone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReRmec_6Cd0
I'm using something like that.

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Universalis wrote:

You have nothing to bring here. No link, not infos, zero.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/23386466

it will give you as much info as you posted yourself.

Probably you don't even play the league but you can make/buy insane items and get to 300mln dps for less than 5ex.

EDIT:
Btw you can make that build on the vid way faster with few cheap tweaks from the garden.

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IAmBetterThanSirus wrote:

it will give you as much info as you posted yourself.

No, you posted nothing, i posted all the info, and i'm playing the league: the build I am talking about precisely. I don't have much time to play in your circus tho.

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Universalis wrote:

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IAmBetterThanSirus wrote:

it will give you as much info as you posted yourself.

No, you posted nothing, i posted all the info, and i'm playing the league: the build I am talking about precisely. I don't have much time to play in your circus tho.

How do you play the league with standard item? LOL, caught ;)

All you posted was standard item and someone's videos that look regular (and it can be done cheaper - if you don't know how it doesn't mean it can't be done).

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MoLoK13 wrote:

Relative to the amount of investment and attention to play involved - minion builds are way too powerful right now. Doesn't even really matter what minion you use - spectres, zombies, animate weapon, whatever.

I get that there needs to be a "safe" choice to play, a league starter for people that don't want to be gear dependent, etc. But right now it's over the top.

I played Necromancer in diablo2 more than 20 years ago... and I was having fun with it... One day "they" decided to nerf the class... result: people stopped playing Necromancer because it was not fun anymore. Talking about a game, the primary goal of devs should be giving players something to enjoy playing with.

I'm new to this game and I'm having fun with my Witch Necromancer, but is not "easy"... I cannot (actually) do any life/mana leach. Minions are strong, but I'm having hard time to figure a way to boost my defences.
One day I will maybe have your experience and acknowledge of the game so I could try something challanging... playing wearing only normal quality armors... or running gear with +% increased rarity and dropping life and resistances...

There are hundreds ways to make it harder and lot of people can still have fun... If they will nerf the build we will end with few experienced people able to play it and the others?... will play another game.

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IAmBetterThanSirus wrote:

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Universalis wrote:

You have nothing to bring here. No link, not infos, zero.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/23386466

it will give you as much info as you posted yourself.

Probably you don't even play the league but you can make/buy insane items and get to 300mln dps for less than 5ex.

EDIT:
Btw you can make that build on the vid way faster with few cheap tweaks from the garden.

For those who wants not to be derailed, he actually means 5 MIRRORS.
Thats closer to reality and to league gear.

May be its typo, dunno.
Just need to correct.

No way you can build minion build with top tier dmg and survivablity cheap. Not in 2020 for sure.

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sidtherat wrote:

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Orbaal wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

and that is with pre-powercreep gear, without %STR on an amulet, without clusters (Wall of muscle: 8% life, 5% STR), without Timeless jewel (i have one that gives me like 20% STR + 60 STR in templar socket)

Thats hardly budget gear though.

Budget would be baron helmet plus some random gear pieces. And that combo clears like shit.


Stick to your point

you seem confused. this is my gear:

Spoiler

yes, chest is 6L and legacy but to be frank 5L works just as well and that 80 flat ES doesnt make any significant difference. my jewels are life+resist, i couldnt fit enough of it so i run Purity of Elements
this is junk setup, links are probably wrong etc as i havent touched this char for 2 or 3 leagues

and it still flies trough T15+ content like nothing. with current gear rolls, all the influences and stuff i think i could easily get at least one Zombie more via getting lots and lots of extra STR. but.. why would I? it is not going to beat flickerstrike builds, but for this price? you hardly can get a better well-rounder

and a newsflash - if Zombie dies, you can resummon it. simple as that. however i have yet to have one die in combat

If you cant clear T15 T16 maps your build is not viable

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IAmBetterThanSirus wrote:

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Universalis wrote:

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IAmBetterThanSirus wrote:

it will give you as much info as you posted yourself.

No, you posted nothing, i posted all the info, and i'm playing the league: the build I am talking about precisely. I don't have much time to play in your circus tho.

How do you play the league with standard item? LOL, caught ;)

All you posted was standard item and someone's videos that look regular (and it can be done cheaper - if you don't know how it doesn't mean it can't be done).

/start of "shut up" solution:



/end of "shut up" solution

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So yes, like A LOT of others, summoner build can be really "broken" when pushing the gear. Survavibility is not. I shall remind some builds have great clear speed AND are nearly immortal - VD, Some guardians, etc ? -

What GGG is mostly doing since years is to nerf CHEAP broken ones. Especially those cumulating broken offense+defense.

Femur+Baron was my prefered for 3 leagues, got nerfed at least two times.

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DioPorcino wrote:

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MoLoK13 wrote:

Relative to the amount of investment and attention to play involved - minion builds are way too powerful right now. Doesn't even really matter what minion you use - spectres, zombies, animate weapon, whatever.

I get that there needs to be a "safe" choice to play, a league starter for people that don't want to be gear dependent, etc. But right now it's over the top.

I played Necromancer in diablo2 more than 20 years ago... and I was having fun with it... One day "they" decided to nerf the class... result: people stopped playing Necromancer because it was not fun anymore. Talking about a game, the primary goal of devs should be giving players something to enjoy playing with.

I'm new to this game and I'm having fun with my Witch Necromancer, but is not "easy"... I cannot (actually) do any life/mana leach. Minions are strong, but I'm having hard time to figure a way to boost my defences.
One day I will maybe have your experience and acknowledge of the game so I could try something challanging... playing wearing only normal quality armors... or running gear with +% increased rarity and dropping life and resistances...

There are hundreds ways to make it harder and lot of people can still have fun... If they will nerf the build we will end with few experienced people able to play it and the others?... will play another game.

Necro isn´t as strong as people make it look like, there are much better builds.

The positive of necro however, is the gear which can be SSF and still be good enough to reach red maps.

Shaper and Awakening 8 are not doable with bad gear either, you will start having issues around T12, when your minions start collapsing to the damage from bosses.
That´s why so many played skeletons before the nerf, it was the easy path as you can just resummon them all the time. There was a time when raging spirits were the way to go, but they also got hit by the nerf so hard, that nobody plays them anymore.


You can boost caster damage in ways, that you can not boost minions, unless you find very specific loot, which can be super rare. Minions scale well by the gems better than any other attack, but that´s it. When casters gain more and more power by finding rare items, rolling them for crit or additional damage, you will sit there and nothing happens as you are at a cap, that can only be influenced by using vaal orbs to make it 21 or by additional quality beyond 20%.

Very few crafts or rare mods, actually boost minion damage and the tree does not have that much to offer either, compared to caster nodes.


If you play trade league, you can buy yourself out of this dilemma and I guess those who claim necro is too strong, frequently do this. But in SSF; you rely on what you find and crafting is very limited there.

Harvest has not a single minion craft, Helena only has a few either.

Therefore, yes, summoners are strong early on, but in red maps will hit a brick wall, unless you find very specific items or unlock crafts.

It´s much easier to boost caster damage with a single item, than minion with all, sad but true.

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Universalis wrote:

/start of "shut up" solution:

/end of "shut up" solution

dont want to be rude but these items are unverified.. i can copy items from other people's guides without a problem:



so maybe if you want a shut up solution post your own items?