PSA: The Unveiling Trick You Should Know About

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yamface wrote:

If you're going to bring random crap over from reddit, at least bring the hentai with you.

I'll leave that for you to do, if that's what you think is valuable. :)

Also, this one isn't from Reddit. Lol.

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Exile009 wrote:

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yamface wrote:

If you're going to bring random crap over from reddit, at least bring the hentai with you.

I'll leave that for you to do, if that's what you think is valuable. :)

Also, this one isn't from Reddit. Lol.

It is nice that you're "branching out" but there's a reason people just assume its something you grabbed off reddit.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

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Exile009 wrote:

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yamface wrote:

If you're going to bring random crap over from reddit, at least bring the hentai with you.

I'll leave that for you to do, if that's what you think is valuable. :)

Also, this one isn't from Reddit. Lol.

It is nice that you're "branching out" but there's a reason people just assume its something you grabbed off reddit.

I've posted stuff not from Reddit before. If you're finding that a lot of it is from Reddit, yeah there's a reason for that. Not one that this forum, with its Reddit antipathy, would be comfortable admitting.

I also occasionally post from this forum TO Reddit, btw. For example, this league I shared the post on here that informed people about the stealth added new hideout decorations to Reddit. Even had Fall (the hideout creator) request me to share it on his own sub-reddit as well. Doesn't happen as often though. And yeah, the reason for that is also something people here may not like admitting.

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Exile009 wrote:

The flow chart thread you're probably referring to is the one to making explode-y chests. The title there makes no mention of the word "easy", nor any equivalent (it's mentioned in the text, which is just copied from the post - I don't alter their words, it's a quote after all) - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2891873

I recall an entirely different title, something along the lines of defending crafting in harvest that said something like Easy crafting of gg or something, don't recall seeing a "deterministic". Maybe it was another thread or maybe I was just annoyed that the first line said easy and below the text is a flow chart I'd have to magnify to read.

But in any case copy pasting other's people stuff off reddit should be rare given the quality of content there. Like, there's a reason plenty of us avoid reddit despite the potentially useful information.

So if it was on reddit and worth reposting here, I have higher expectations for it than your typical post, because someone felt it was worth bringing a stranger's work over.

For example, my off topic post

"Just because this deserves more exposure"
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2894413

I enjoyed the work enough to post a thread in off-topic because I wanted to share their work with others who might be interested. Even if they don't like the example they might see something else they've done that they really enjoy. Like the Wraeclast Men's Health.

With the dynamic of Reddit, it's not surprising that people often used clickbait titles.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

But in any case copy pasting other's people stuff off reddit should be rare given the quality of content there. Like, there's a reason plenty of us avoid reddit despite the potentially useful information.

So if it was on reddit and worth reposting here, I have higher expectations for it than your typical post, because someone felt it was worth bringing a stranger's work over.

So you have issues with the quality of content on Reddit, and are here criticizing someone who's specifically sharing only the most useful bits? Flawless logic. In any case, I don't post to win your approval. And as mentioned earlier, I typically specifically avoid posts just like your D&D rap example (i.e. art posts) because their value is subjective. I don't much care for rap, and so didn't care that. I usually stick with information because it's more potentially universally of value. You not finding much value in much of it here isn't surprising, given that you're not even playing the league. But I post for more people than just you.

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Exile009 wrote:

So you have issues with the quality of content on Reddit, and are here criticizing someone who's specifically sharing only the most useful bits? Flawless logic. In any case, I don't post to win your approval. And as mentioned earlier, I typically specifically avoid posts just like your D&D rap example (i.e. art posts) because their value is subjective. I don't much care for rap, and so didn't care that. I usually stick with information because it's more potentially universally of value. You not finding much value in much of it here isn't surprising, given that you're not even playing the league. But I post for more people than just you.

In other words, I was criticizing what you thought was "useful", without the upvote downvote crap.

And I'm well aware your posts aren't specifically for "me". If you didn't put that little PSA before your posts I'd treat it like any other post.

But when I say of little value and lacking quality, its because the items you pull from reddit are pretty weak and almost never if ever as useful as a "PSA" should be.

PSA synthesis fractured items - a tip that involves spending two ex that doesn't even guarantee you won't have to do it again is not all that useful given the amount being spent. It might help if you don't mind spending more than you need to to craft it yourself, but that's if someone places more value on finding/creating item versus spending less and just buying it off the market.

PSA crafting exploding chest - if the author claims its easy in the first line and it's followed by a flow chart, it's not "easy". It may not be hard to grasp, but it's clearly time-consuming and involving many steps.

PSA unveiling trick - very few mods are worth micromanaging aishling just to push progress for unlock since most of the good stuff got removed or nerfed. Even then, setting up safehouses is wading through layer upon layer of rng to get the people you want into the place you want, not to mention that research is one of the most useful and other characters will take higher priority, like enriching chayulas or white sockets.

You may question the "logic" but I was simply trying to express that what you think is the most useful information from reddit isn't as useful as you think it is.

It's not universal value because I'm considering this stuff from a 12 challenge perspective to 36-40. Too expensive to even be a concern vs too niche that if you really care would find it through google search.

Honestly if you never put the PSA tag I wouldn't care enough to post, but if you want to claim it's useful for many/most players it should actually be useful. Like a PSA on flasks and ailment removal, assuming its the usual stuff people should know, you wouldn't get any flack for it really because there are always new people and that knowledge is useful to every player. If it's to "serve the public" it should serve the public not just cater to extremes.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

But when I say of little value and lacking quality, its because the items you pull from reddit are pretty weak and almost never if ever as useful as a "PSA" should be.

Thanks for the feedback, but I'd have preferred the "upvote downvote crap" over this. Ultimately you were complaining over an opinion, yours. I share the information for whoever can use it. For whoever doesn't get it, they can either ignore it or ask questions. Since you're not asking questions, I advise you do the former. Cos right now it looks like you're complaining for the sake of complaining - at least the "upvote downvote crap" gives you an outlet to do that without all this pointless huff. Really, do you go around complaining about every post put up here that fails to meet your 'standards' for what's worthwhile? Or is that only reserved for nurturing your distaste for Reddit?

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

a PSA on flasks and ailment removal, assuming its the usual stuff people should know, you wouldn't get any flack for it

"wouldn't get any flack for it" from you, you mean. If I kept posting that sorta thing, it likely wouldn't be long before someone came along criticizing it for being a waste of space since they'd find it too basic to be worth posting i.e. the opposite of your complaint here. Would you rush to my defense then? Somehow I doubt that.

As for your critique of Aisling and how challenging and/or worthy she is to use this way, I've used this method before to get the very same craft the video uses. And it was definitely worth it for me, as I needed it for my build, and may very well be needed by many other people for their builds as well (like I said, there's a reason he chose the trigger mod for his example - lots of people want that craft, even just for themselves). It's not difficult. As for how worthy it is, I don't recall asking or caring what your determination of it's 'worth' is. The method is there, use it or not. You only need do it twice to get the craft and then you can get back to whatever you think is better practice if you wish (not to mention you can fit Vorici and It That Fled in there along with Aisling anyway). Personally, I'll take Karv's value assessment over yours - at least I know how skilled or not he is, whereas you're not even playing the league, or possibly not even the game.

And btw, for some context as to why I do this every league, it's because I still remember #mirrorgate, as well as every subsequent occurrence of that phenomenon. This kind of thing is all I can do to lower the chance of that kind of exploitative market abuse in future. Maybe new players can't replicate some of it, but others can and will - and that improves the market for everyone. That should also help explain why I'm not simply posting lower level tips on basic gameplay, if that's even really your issue here to begin with.

Overall, you're free to feel these posts aren't worth much, but for my part I'm not finding your critique to be worth much either. It certainly isn't constructive, and I don't see you adding anything to the posts in order to address those perceived deficiencies (ever noticed how some of my PSA's have multiple quotes? That's cos some of the top comments were positively adding to the post, so I copied those into my post here as well). It also gives a strong odor of you just having a general antipathy towards Reddit, and coming up with issues on the fly in order to attack the posts without having to admit that's all there is to it. So unless you have something more substantial (and less interpretive) to add, good day.

Everything gets critiqued on the internet, especially with social media.

Good, bad, there's always someone who likes it and someone who does not. I've provided examples and explanations for my "opinion" and it's up to you on how you choose to interpret it all.

Unlike reddit, I didn't just post hate in your thread but made the effort to explain my dislike with context and why I thought you perceived more value than was actually in the content.

You seem to have chosen to write it off as complaining for the sake of complaining. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean their point of view doesn't have some merit - it's not a matter of right or wrong so much as at least bothering to consider an opposing view.

You have two other posts almost exclusively taken from reddit but without the PSA tag and I think they are both far more reflective of "quality" content on reddit.

People taking the time to express their view clearly all the while knowing it's likely to be met with ugly responses.

I do find reddit mostly repulsive given the vitriol found there, doesn't mean I write it off as completely useless or I'm "nuturing my distaste" for it.

If your PSAs were more basic and universal in nature, I'd probably still look at them when I browse the forum. Given that you're on the internet, you really shouldn't need anyone to come to your defense.

With that said, in these forums the only real interaction is text on a screen. I've both disagreed and agreed with plenty over the course of my participation on these forums. It's almost never personal, and simply a matter of point of view. There are people I disagree with frequently that I will still have no issue agreeing with - because it's not about the person, but the idea.

I don't know you, you don't know me. You aren't promoting hatred of people, you haven't maimed or murdered any of my family members, you haven't said or done anything that would cause me to develop some burning hatred for you.

Just because someone doesn't feel the same way doesn't mean you should take it as a personal attack. There was a time where people could disagree without taking it to extremes.

I never said it was a personal attack. I said it wasn't much of a critique.

I was just reading about some controversy in the critical role universe (something completely unrelated) and the responses from people in the community.

One of the things that kept coming up was people taking things to extremes, any criticism or critique is often treated as an attack on the cast when it could be as simple as someone saying they don't like this because of that.

I'm sure I could have been extra pc in wording my previous posts, but in the end it was just some feedback that was more negative than positive.

You also said that you'd take someone else's opinion over mine because you don't know if I even play the game at all.

My profile is public and all my challenges and leagues are listed in the profile. I've been here since the middle of Abyss and once I got to a point of being able to reach 36 I continued to do so for several leagues losing interest in synthesis and blight but completing my first 40/40 in Delirium, the league right before harvest.

All you had to do was click on my screen name to bring up the profile but instead you chose to assume that my 1 completed challenge was all you needed to know.

You are right to a degree of course. It's a silly complaint over a frivolous matter. But so is almost any forum content when taken out of context and compared to real world issues like people starving, homelessness and all the others woes that plague mankind.

I was just trying to express as politely as possible why I think you misuse the "PSA" tag in certain posts. But all you got out of pages of text was worthless critique.

There are reasons why people tend to be a lot more blunt and abrasive online.