How to SAVE Harvest league?

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imLuCaSsS wrote:

Harvest league have two big problems:

1) No added mobs in maps
2) No added loots in maps

and the problem with this is?

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NoBillag wrote:

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imLuCaSsS wrote:

Harvest league have two big problems:

1) No added mobs in maps
2) No added loots in maps

and the problem with this is?

THe problem with this is that you have 0 challenges done what means you didn't even played the league, clicked a seed or went til act2.

You need a better account to troll around threads, bro.

I don't think it can be saved. I can't remember the last time I did a flashback, but it was definitely a more interesting mechanic.

I just think league is going to continue to bleed more and more players as they get frustrated or bored with the mechanic as demand continues to dry up.

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NoBillag wrote:

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imLuCaSsS wrote:

Harvest league have two big problems:

1) No added mobs in maps
2) No added loots in maps

and the problem with this is?

They nerfed the spawn rate of mobs to nerf headhunter, this was counter balanced with league mechanics. Now it isn't a mass mob spawning league their is nothing worth killing in the game

They can save the entire game with one simple question, asked over and over again:
"Am I being a #$*@?"

Developer - "We should make the players build this, then collect this then let the RNG decide if they get anything from it".
"Wait ... Am I being a #$*@? I think I might be, so I rescind my suggestion, let's work on a cool new item instead."

Manager - "We should lower the loot rate so players have to grind for longer and we increase our retention .... wait, Am I being a #$*@? I think I might be, I rescind my suggestion"

Designer - "We should make players manually pick up this, and it should take up lots of stash space, that way we can sell ... wait, Am I being a #$*@? I think I might be, let's add an autopickup feature instead."

Accountant - "I see we have allocated a budget of $10 to things that do not generate direct revenue, like tutorials, updating the wiki, reducing download times, stabilising connections with various countries, communicating with our playerbase. I should cut that out of the budge ... wait, Am I being a #$*@? You know what, let's spend more on these things and be a company that respects it's customers"

Investors - "Did you say a deal with the Chinese Government? Aren't they being #$*@'s? Better not."

This league is a really bad version of farmville , feels like the whole base building from Fallout 4 .... nobody asked for it, it does not belong here, why is it not deleted already. Just bring back a popular league ... but wait, you can't sell new tabs from that, damn.

If only people would not buy every crap they throw out perhaps they would put more thought behind new content besides : more inventory trash ---> sell QoL for $$$.

Just as an idea I had from talking about the league with friends I think they should reverse the league mechanic, you should kill monsters on finding Oshabi which gives you lifeforce, you should use the lifeforce to choose and grow seeds in the garden then craft from that basis.

You can then have extra loot and lifeforce, map modified for quant etc as well as additional challenge if desired while giving a less spammy but more deterministic method of crafting what you want to craft afterwards.

The current system is too many steps ontop of chaos spam, this is exactly what happened in Beastiary league as well 90% of the crafts were redundant or a flavour of chaos spam. IF they were so worried about this crafting breaking the game I can't believe they were talking about the current incarnation.

Right now only the mega rich in time and currency will craft anything in the busted category, that isn't game breaking its the same as always lol.

With all that though I actually am enjoying the league, I needed a simpler one after delirium and so far despite playing on trade league i've not actually bought a single item (aside from an unfinished mid tier base). That SSF approach has always appealed to me.

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xMustard wrote:

you do realize the garden is connected to your map, and when you kill mobs they drop loot right.

maybe im nitpicking a bit, but to say there is no added mobs or loot is not exactly accurate


i do agree with a bump in seeds dropped though. that seems like it should happen

the thing about making the mechanic just shit out currency, like you're suggesting "to buy shit we need". if you're just going to get currency to buy stuff then you're not going to craft, which is the whole thing this mechanic is based around anyway.
so no, that should not happen.

Do you have things to fight in your garden every single map? Not even close.

The vast majority of the time the game plays exactly like standard during this league.

Bleh.

I am actually completely bewildered that this league design made past the discussion phase.

The first words out of the decision maker's mouths should have been, ok cool. And what about while they are mapping? What are we adding to that experience?

"Nothing."

Uh.. nothing?

"That's right. It's a league about nothing."

league is not fixable.
my solution:

1. delete harvest
2. pretend there was no harvest
3. start flashback league

Solutions:

1. Increase drop by 500%
2. Remove cluster nerf, completely.
3. ...Increase drop by 500%.