Stacking Mana as a defense vs life and energy shield.

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lolozori wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Edit: when i mean facetank, I MEAN the character sitting on his ass on one spot without moving and hitting sirus while he cast his sirus a8 DIE beam ,not just any trash attacks by him. And I don't see indigon MOM builds face tanking sirus a8 die beam unless you're trolling lmao.

rolf, not knowing interaction between indigon and enduring mana flask with flask effect and recovery.

That is 5.4k mana per second. That's a little over the 2-3k that someone else gave already it looks believable if you invest into mana recovery.

I don't when it was a gold standard to measure defenses by tanking sirus beams but a mana flask isnt going to save you from it. You practically have to be able to survive the full attack without any form of recovery because the beam is instant.

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yamface wrote:

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lolozori wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Edit: when i mean facetank, I MEAN the character sitting on his ass on one spot without moving and hitting sirus while he cast his sirus a8 DIE beam ,not just any trash attacks by him. And I don't see indigon MOM builds face tanking sirus a8 die beam unless you're trolling lmao.

rolf, not knowing interaction between indigon and enduring mana flask with flask effect and recovery.

That is 5.4k mana per second. That's a little over the 2-3k that someone else gave already it looks believable if you invest into mana recovery.

I don't when it was a gold standard to measure defenses by tanking sirus beams but a mana flask isnt going to save you from it. You practically have to be able to survive the full attack without any form of recovery because the beam is instant.

Yep i agree. Indigon spend huge loads of mana but at cumulative spending instead of a burst/fixed spending archmage at huge amount. In any case, you are spending huge mana while recovering from the lost mana without factoring that sirus die beam is hitting you at the same time. and the 5k regen isn't even going to help much against sirus a8 die beam so I am not convinced his indigon with enduring mana flask build can tank a sirus a8 die beam.

Maybe a simple youtube video proof would clear all doubts perhaps?


FYI, the beam is not just instant but it hit multiple times and has a DOT effect. It's very deadly shit.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

do you need some help trying to understand what the main topic is? its about mana vs life/es as a defense... because it seemed that you fall into 2 camps too. 1 do not understand what the main topic but creates nothing but trash input or 2, you understand what the main topic is but creates trash input anyway.

You wrote a giant piece of word salad without any actual thought behind it balance wise but also included "Please buff mana users and do not nerf archmage." at the end.

As a result i based my response on the only part that was actually relevant, your idea that mana should even be equivalent as a defense is misguided and you've neglected pretty much every balance consideration on your way to a bad point.

I'm 99% sure that on your private account there is a Hiero stormbrander that you are desperately frightened will be nerfed and you'll have to find whatever easymode they put in to replace it.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

do you need some help trying to understand what the main topic is? its about mana vs life/es as a defense... because it seemed that you fall into 2 camps too. 1 do not understand what the main topic but creates nothing but trash input or 2, you understand what the main topic is but creates trash input anyway.

You wrote a giant piece of word salad without any actual thought behind it balance wise but also included "Please buff mana users and do not nerf archmage." at the end.

As a result i based my response on the only part that was actually relevant, your idea that mana should even be equivalent as a defense is misguided and you've neglected pretty much every balance consideration on your way to a bad point.

I'm 99% sure that on your private account there is a Hiero stormbrander that you are desperately frightened will be nerfed and you'll have to find whatever easymode they put in to replace it.

LMAO nice comeback after writing trash. .

Nope. You FAILED to read the HEADING and title of the topic that was created, which was ALWAYS the most important thing you should ever read in the first place. You blindly ignored the important things that i listed out to compare the 3 main resources. You instinctively concluded that those are irrelevant because you have been blinded by your malicious desire to demand for a nerf to that build. YOU IGNORE THE REST AND ONLY SEE THE LAST PHRASE " Do not nerf" and thats why you based your argument on that. Stop lying lol....makes you look bad... a real bad reader ...

FYI, I don't even play stormbrand but i play archmage as a new build and it's not even my main before i made the respec.. You're also bad at guessing lmao

Yep its pretty obvious mate, you should just edit that entire response out good luck though!

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Yep its pretty obvious mate, you should just edit that entire response out good luck though!

who're replying to or talking to? Did you forgot how to quote? Or did you intentionally do that to cover up the embarrassment from the quotes by starting another fresh reply without any quotes?

Nobody is editing anything and even if there is, there's something called time stamp?


Edit: Liar got exposed, time to run? Active in other discussion topics but quiet here?

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Yep i agree. Indigon spend huge loads of mana but at cumulative spending instead of a burst/fixed spending archmage at huge amount. In any case, you are spending huge mana while recovering from the lost mana without factoring that sirus die beam is hitting you at the same time. and the 5k regen isn't even going to help much against sirus a8 die beam so I am not convinced his indigon with enduring mana flask build can tank a sirus a8 die beam.

Maybe a simple youtube video proof would clear all doubts perhaps?


FYI, the beam is not just instant but it hit multiple times and has a DOT effect. It's very deadly shit.

We all know built properly indigon will regen insane amount of life and mana at the same time with the mana flask but this league power creep gave us insane jewels with flasks effects on players stacking. Add on top of this divine flesh and You ll get 50% to 75% of elem taken as chaos. With 90% chaos res and perpetual healing you ll be able to tank the beam.

The disadvantage to build around those system is very high investment cost in jewels and items as well as it is not clear if jewel stacking will still be there next league.

This league you 100% can tank to beam.

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lolozori wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

Yep i agree. Indigon spend huge loads of mana but at cumulative spending instead of a burst/fixed spending archmage at huge amount. In any case, you are spending huge mana while recovering from the lost mana without factoring that sirus die beam is hitting you at the same time. and the 5k regen isn't even going to help much against sirus a8 die beam so I am not convinced his indigon with enduring mana flask build can tank a sirus a8 die beam.

Maybe a simple youtube video proof would clear all doubts perhaps?


FYI, the beam is not just instant but it hit multiple times and has a DOT effect. It's very deadly shit.

We all know built properly indigon will regen insane amount of life and mana at the same time with the mana flask but this league power creep gave us insane jewels with flasks effects on players stacking. Add on top of this divine flesh and You ll get 50% to 75% of elem taken as chaos. With 90% chaos res and perpetual healing you ll be able to tank the beam.

The disadvantage to build around those system is very high investment cost in jewels and items as well as it is not clear if jewel stacking will still be there next league.

This league you 100% can tank to beam.

But where did you get the screen shot? I am pretty sure it's not taken from in game screen shot as well as from POB.

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

But where did you get the screen shot? I am pretty sure it's not taken from in game screen shot as well as from POB.

not sure if it s the same in classic pob but in pob fork you just put your pointer on flask in inventory and you get that.

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding

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lolozori wrote:

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YoursTruly86 wrote:

But where did you get the screen shot? I am pretty sure it's not taken from in game screen shot as well as from POB.

not sure if it s the same in classic pob but in pob fork you just put your pointer on flask in inventory and you get that.

https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding

oh no wonder...
I was using the classic POB and constantly updating to get the latest version and didn't even realized another version of POB even existed.

So which version is better? the classic one vs the pob fork?