Why simulacrum is bad and you shouldn't run it

I rammed 750 waves, doing 5 in almost all of them, sometimes 6, especially with act2 layout. Playing necro HH all support awakened.

Simulacrum give BIG reward, because often you get exalts, very good cards, good fragments, and tons of incubators, leveling gems like crazy. Require massive damage and good defense, last waves being a bit hot, at least for necro...

The real problem is the gigantic amount of shits to grab, too much shits to grab, sort, check, move, cliok CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK

... MAD ...

To fill up fucktabs because this is GGG business model, buy tabs...buy tabs...buy tabs...buy tabs...buy tabs...

At some point it's over-ridiculous, you will spend hours clicking and sorting shit, destroying eyes for freeee, because yes "it's FREEE."


Thanks, i needed to share this. Please note down right now: it's sadly true.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

reminds me of legion where, without the right "build" it was hardly rewarding enough to run it :^)
bullshit game :D

It's almost as if playing an actually good build has upsides to it. :o

I was talking of the headhunter thing, you know?
And even with someone playing end of the world with cyclone and headhunter sometimes the rewards were lackluster

oh and show me a build which could compare to that madness
show me your "good build" :D

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

I was talking of the headhunter thing, you know?
And even with someone playing end of the world with cyclone and headhunter sometimes the rewards were lackluster

oh and show me a build which could compare to that madness
show me your "good build" :D

For reasons of clarity: if you meant a different thing, why don't you say the different thing? It's almost as if.. you want to be misunderstood? :o

Additional info: I don't feel like explaining what a "good build" is to someone who plays a CI ED Occultist without using Zealot's Oath but Energy Leech Support instead (spoilers: doesn't work with the debuff. duh.). If you don't even understand the build you're playing, why should I waste my words explaining "good builds" to you?

I've just got The Fiend from stacked deck from simulacrum, so my feelings are quite the opposite... xD Not to mention I am usually able to make profit by clearing the whole thing. Scarabs, cards, uniques, you name it. And I absolutely love stacked decks, I get like 20 each run, I love the thrill of opening these. xD

i just ran it first time. managed to get to the very end. but having lost 2 portals to lag and crash in later waves i couldnt attempt the last boss. but it was a blast. and turned a profit. got 6 gilded scarabs and about 40 other scarabs. got an ex. got some jewel that sold for 90c. it was enjoyable even for a shitty build as mine. will def do more of them, will happily buy simulacrums for 90c :)

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

reminds me of legion where, without the right "build" it was hardly rewarding enough to run it :^)
bullshit game :D

It's almost as if playing an actually good build has upsides to it. :o

sad

in this game 'build is good' not because you made it so but youve picked auto-win option. one of very few.

if you doubt that - make a Sim viable Storm Burst build :)

the smug face some wear claiming 'just make a good build' is just that - smug face. there is nothing even remotely difficult in making 'auto-win' successful..



oh and one note: this is an open market. it seems that general consensus is that you make 90c ON AVERAGE from one run.

it is highly unlikely to find a content that costs 5c on average and make 50c on average in the long run. it is possible but not with a league mechanic - market adjusts very quickly.

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sidtherat wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

reminds me of legion where, without the right "build" it was hardly rewarding enough to run it :^)
bullshit game :D

It's almost as if playing an actually good build has upsides to it. :o

sad

in this game 'build is good' not because you made it so but youve picked auto-win option. one of very few.

if you doubt that - make a Sim viable Storm Burst build :)

the smug face some wear claiming 'just make a good build' is just that - smug face. there is nothing even remotely difficult in making 'auto-win' successful..



oh and one note: this is an open market. it seems that general consensus is that you make 90c ON AVERAGE from one run.

it is highly unlikely to find a content that costs 5c on average and make 50c on average in the long run. it is possible but not with a league mechanic - market adjusts very quickly.

Playing sub-par skill combinations and expecting the same results from optimized setups is ridiculous. Are you actually serious??

And to be fair to the skill in question: Stormburst Tricksters can dish out some hefty damage and clearspeed. If you're really interest in the theorycrafting behind it and want to play it, shoot me a PM and I'll lay out the concept.

On another note: if you actually tried Simulacrum you'd know there's no autowin. If you make mistakes you will be punished.

unless you play auto-win aka Storm Brand + Archmage or Heralds-whatever or some triggered spell vomit. you dont even need to optimize that shit to be successful (ofc you CAN but not to an extent Storm Burst needs)

the trick is to 'deal damage on the move' and 'deal it from the distance'. Storm Brand does it. Storm Burst - doesnt. no matter what you do to that setup - it is a garbage skill for this content

i know Sburst is good damage, not only on tricksters but in general. but to kill bosses you need to channel this skill. standing still for long as the damage grows quickly with channel duration. for 1v1 - i can live trought that. vs Kosis in Sim? no thanks



the point is - the point you (and others) try to make dissapear:

'optimization' is a myth, a big fat lie

crap Strom Brand Archmage setup is by definition better than even 'optimized' Storm Burst setup. i can make it to 17-18 (and more if i want) active blobs with my SBurst character - still i need to stand still to get there. sorry, not happening. how i can optimize that issue away? share it here, many would like to know.


there is no personal achievement here. you pick a 'good build' and youll cruise carefree. you pick a 'turd' an no amount of wealth wasted on it changes a thing.

POE's endgame currently is won or lost on character creation screen. and this is terrible design fiasco.

What I was actually criticizing here was that some people expect their builds to function in endgame without any issues. When you scrutinize them they quickly fall apart, because either their gear is trash or they're using the wrong setups. TolerantzDestr0yer in particular was playing an Essence Drain Occultist with CI and ES Leech instead of Zealot's Oath. The same person is criticizing content to be too rippy, yet the one reason they're performing so poorly is their own poor choices. If this lack of credibility is not worth pointing out then I don't know what is.

Let's put that part aside. I agree with you on the market statement. OP is criticizing GGG for a player-made problem (bloating up prices). Demand is high, because people want to farm Simulacrum for Voices and for challenge completion. If anyone remembers prices for Blighted Maps during Blight league, they'll know.

Now, if you actually want to discuss skill balance, that's a whole different topic and really doesn't belong in this thread. I'd be curious to discuss this further in the appropiate place

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

I was talking of the headhunter thing, you know?
And even with someone playing end of the world with cyclone and headhunter sometimes the rewards were lackluster

oh and show me a build which could compare to that madness
show me your "good build" :D

For reasons of clarity: if you meant a different thing, why don't you say the different thing? It's almost as if.. you want to be misunderstood? :o

Additional info: I don't feel like explaining what a "good build" is to someone who plays a CI ED Occultist without using Zealot's Oath but Energy Leech Support instead (spoilers: doesn't work with the debuff. duh.). If you don't even understand the build you're playing, why should I waste my words explaining "good builds" to you?

dear lord why do you get so salty everytime you are wrong?
and why do you mix my current build with the legion topic? and why cant you read properly? and where is your build example, that one which could compare to headhunter+cyclone?
oh wait you have no "gOoD bUiLD" capable to farm legions endcontent anywhere as good as this have you? :D
did you want to make the point that every good build could keep up with the insane shit cyclone and hh was but i am just too bad to use these properly? (im certainly too lazy)
are you that desperate... almost as if you had no arguments :o

..."the same person is criticizing content to be too rippy"
you gotta read with your mind and brain activated, get the context my dear!
and yes Im yolo´ing my way trough the game with few thoughts spend on optimization
is your point "if you cant make a good build you cant judge the rippyness of a game!"?
and now state to me that delirium wasnt overtuned at the beginning