WHY is Avatar of Fire "OP"?

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hzflank wrote:

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EpsiIon wrote:

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hzflank wrote:

Create a templar, get it to level 30 with AoF, pyromaniac and catalyze. Use Shield Charge supported by Chance to Ignite and Elemental Proliferation. Does any other build compete with that sort of damage output?

*Points to dischargers, witches, AoF rangers. *

Not at level 30 ;)

My ranger had the better side of 3k dps at 30.

My discharger was soloing content 11 levels ahead of him with absolutely no problem

My witch got to merciless at 41 solo.

Trust me, theres plenty to compete with AoF in terms of damage.

I am not saying AoF alone does that much damage. But with a hard hit (max range shield charge, for example) and elemental proliferation then as soon as you proc an ignite every normal mob on the screen will just drop dead.

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hzflank wrote:

I am not saying AoF alone does that much damage. But with a hard hit (max range shield charge, for example) and elemental proliferation then as soon as you proc an ignite every normal mob on the screen will just drop dead.

I understand that, but honestly, its nothing special, although hilerious to watch.

Im just on a sore spot becuase devs are nerfing AoF and leaving several other builds that are just as broken, if not more so.

It's pretty balanced







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NotSorry wrote:

Say hello to Fire Immune mobs

Pretty sure glacial hammer does frost damage and still benefits from + elemental damage. Might not do as much dps as everything else but you are not 100% useless against fire immune things.

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EpsiIon wrote:

My ranger had the better side of 3k dps at 30.

My discharger was soloing content 11 levels ahead of him with absolutely no problem

My witch got to merciless at 41 solo.

Trust me, theres plenty to compete with AoF in terms of damage.

Not sure how your discharge is still doing enough damage for that considering how heavily it was nerfed, and I really want to see this 3k dps ranger at lvl 30. I know that around 30 with a bow templar I was doing around 1k dps with NORMAL ATTACK! Personally I have not seen anything that can keep up with the dps of an aof build. Any build that does physical damage can do WAY more dps by abusing aof and this is a problem.

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EpsiIon wrote:

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hzflank wrote:

I am not saying AoF alone does that much damage. But with a hard hit (max range shield charge, for example) and elemental proliferation then as soon as you proc an ignite every normal mob on the screen will just drop dead.

I understand that, but honestly, its nothing special, although hilerious to watch.

Im just on a sore spot becuase devs are nerfing AoF and leaving several other builds that are just as broken, if not more so.

Take diamond flasks out of the equation, which are horribly OP, and let me know what builds are just as broken as a typical aof build.

Dungeons and caves are fun to run with AoF. You get frozen with no cold resist, can't move and...dead

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thepmrc wrote:

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EpsiIon wrote:

My ranger had the better side of 3k dps at 30.

My discharger was soloing content 11 levels ahead of him with absolutely no problem

My witch got to merciless at 41 solo.

Trust me, theres plenty to compete with AoF in terms of damage.

Not sure how your discharge is still doing enough damage for that considering how heavily it was nerfed, and I really want to see this 3k dps ranger at lvl 30. I know that around 30 with a bow templar I was doing around 1k dps with NORMAL ATTACK! Personally I have not seen anything that can keep up with the dps of an aof build. Any build that does physical damage can do WAY more dps by abusing aof and this is a problem.

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EpsiIon wrote:

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hzflank wrote:

I am not saying AoF alone does that much damage. But with a hard hit (max range shield charge, for example) and elemental proliferation then as soon as you proc an ignite every normal mob on the screen will just drop dead.

I understand that, but honestly, its nothing special, although hilerious to watch.

Im just on a sore spot becuase devs are nerfing AoF and leaving several other builds that are just as broken, if not more so.

Take diamond flasks out of the equation, which are horribly OP, and let me know what builds are just as broken as a typical aof build.

You don't need to do damage with dischargers, sure he's slow, but its doable and I dont need more then a single mana/life flask to do it, the other three have diamond flasks.

Also given diamond flasks are OP, they would slow my discharger down quite a bit if nerfed, but thats hardly addressing the problem one gets with such a hugely scaling skill that also grants tankiness and damage, if not dps, that competes with a so called "Broken Build" Ala aof.

My source of unease is whether or not we are confusing an optimal build for an OP one. Compound that with the fact that if they nerf AoF, I sincerely doubt we will see bows used in any serious fashion beyond the token poison arrow summoner.

Seeing as how AoF is BARELY above if not on-par with certain other builds, and sacrifices a deal of survivability, where as other builds, relatively, do not sacrifice as much.

Not only that, but chances are, as it stands, AoF is not necessarily the problem. The problem in itself, IMO lies with Catalyze. The fact is, if they nerf AoF, people will get Blackgleams and the 25% cold conversion gloves, meaning that they DID nerf AoF, and the DPS will lower generally, but the desired effect will not likely be reached.

TL;DR: The problem lies not with AoF, but with the balance of other builds aswell as the plentiful nature of +Elemental Damage to weapons.

Problem with AoF everything is stacking, the + fire damage, the + fire damage from weapon, the + elemental damage from weapon, + one hand, + physical, +melee, +axe

All adds up into an insane amount of + damage

Not even gonna bother quoting, Mobs cannot be immune to damage types, this is not a thing, if you think you seen something along these lines you can rest assured that you did not see this. There are no magical damage immunities on any mob in the game, ever. Chaos/Lightning/Fire/Cold, cannot happen.

And fire resist mobs don't stand a chance in hell vs AoF.