If you are not using a META build, you can't play endgame AT ALL

Maybe people just need to stop crying and get better.
I never play meta builds and every league I have no problem doing all content with ease.
This league, like every league before I played my all time favourite skill Explosive arrow. I melt stuff, it is ridiculous.
Conquerors die within 2 seconds, Uber Atziri and Elder are a joke.
And Awakener lvl 8, if i dodge I laser and face tank, he is also dead in 2 seconds in last phase.

And yet some people believe bow builds are bad.

Farming Sirus, Shaper and Elderslayers on AL6-8 using mostly selffound melee builds (the supposedly worst archetype in the game you know) and I don't have any problems what so ever. Have you ever considered the possibility that you are the problem OP?

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Johny_Snow wrote:

And yet some people believe bow builds are bad.

Well try making one with a 3 EX budget instead of 30. Maybe then you know what those people are talking about.

Its all about moving the goalposts. Bow builds not being good is stated as a fact but when proved wrong they backtrack and explain what they meant was cheap bow builds. Bow builds were never cheap, even when the game was piss-easy

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Its all about moving the goalposts. Bow builds not being good is stated as a fact but when proved wrong they backtrack and explain what they meant was cheap bow builds. Bow builds were never cheap, even when the game was piss-easy

To most people here that's the same thing. If a build can't afk endgame content on 1 ex budget like Summoners can then it's shit. I have to deal with this stupidity all the time as well, just in case of melee instead of bows.

I don't normally do this, but just this one time I'll do: git gud. :)

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ryuukk33 wrote:

If you are not summoner or saboteur, you'll never be able to handle red maps and end game

Last time I checked I wasn´t playing a summoner or saboteur... and I am doing T15 Maps with any mods, quadruple sextants, influence easily.
Only Sirus ripped me a new one... but that is most likely because of my age / lack of personal movement skills / hand-eye coordination... not because of the build.

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ThngsLikeThis wrote:

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ryuukk33 wrote:

If you are not summoner or saboteur, you'll never be able to handle red maps and end game

Last time I checked I wasn´t playing a summoner or saboteur... and I am doing T15 Maps with any mods, quadruple sextants, influence easily.
Only Sirus ripped me a new one... but that is most likely because of my age / lack of personal movement skills / hand-eye coordination... not because of the build.

I'm old and slow too. It's why I play easier builds. I think The last half of the league I'll test this. Maybe it's true

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Its all about moving the goalposts. Bow builds not being good is stated as a fact but when proved wrong they backtrack and explain what they meant was cheap bow builds. Bow builds were never cheap, even when the game was piss-easy

Even my not meta bow setups are significantly costly, especially given their limitations.

@OP My first Uber Elder kill failed countless times when trying to beat it with quasi-meta toxic arrow setup - it was effectively trying to beat a fight I wasn't even accustomed to and handicapping my performance. Still managed to eventually do it with said build.

My impale duelist cyclone setup was meta when he was built and I don't think ever failed a run. While having plenty of practice helped, the biggest factor was that the build was easier to "improve" based on the math. When I say math, I mean it was very straight forward, as it didn't have to consider different interactions, durations, conversions etc.

It's not so much needing meta for end game, it's being able to hit performance milestones within a practical budget.

people are funny. If u see those that claim the game is fine and are playing off meta just as fine they're using 20+ ex on equipment and most if not every single one of them have a necro "league starter" or a miner. This is broken we all know, the white knights know (but love to defend anyway saying its fine) and even ggg knows the problem. Shaqbeard explained well why this happens and a way to fix (lower the diference between have and have not and balance around) but I rly doubt they will do this.

My bet next league minions will be so nerfed that nobody will touch a minion build for at least 2 leagues. Bad design and predictable but its my bet cause its the easier route to adress the problem.

And before someone blablabla. I killed sirus a couple of times deathless and did almost all the content (still need some fragments for elder and shaper) using a melee (but still meta cause cyclone is op) with relatevely cheap equipment and killed using a necro with a joke of equip, literarly all self found there. Guess what necro is 10 times easier, faster and safer lol