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wtf stop ask for nerf summoners and necro alrdy
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TreeOfDead wrote:
wtf stop ask for nerf summoners and necro alrdy


And what do you suggest be done instead?
PoE players: Our game has a wide diversity of builds.

Also PoE players: The [league mechanic] doesn't need to be nerfed, you just need to play a [current meta] build!

And the winds will cry / and many men will die / and all the waves will bow down / to the Loreley
Exactly what's being suggested as an alternative: make other builds better.

The problem with player power before Metamorph wasn't just that the game was too easy; it was that it was too easy for people chasing the top meta. The difference between "it works" and "it's meta" is massive. Necro just happens to be the easiest, cheapest thing in the meta division.

And why is necro there? Because of their minions. Not even their damage, though that certainly contributes to why they're "it's meta" instead of "it works." It's because guys on the screen, whether they taunt or not, are a powerful defensive benefit that is incomparable in function to any other defensive layer.

The only way to "balance" them is to give everyone a piece of that action. Necro will always be where you go if you want to focus on minions and make them the source of your damage, but every other class needs to have synergistic reasons to use some minions so they can get that essential "something to punch other than me" bonus.

It is completely impossible to make bosses that feel right for both necros and everyone else unless you do this.
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Lol so everyone needs to be a necro effectively.
No. I wouldn't say even that everyone needs to be a summoner.

It's more like "everyone needs to bring friends." In that other thread I linked to, I suggested a way of incorporating a significant cost into the use of minions to offset their defensive power; have them take up party slots. This really strongly suggests what we already kind of know; if you're not bringing any minions at all, not even a single golem, you probably shouldn't expect to solo everything so easily. That golem? 50% less enemies start the fight caring about you. That's important. It can't be made unimportant without turning the golem into a useless piece of tissue paper.

Everyone using at least one minion is the only solution to this. But you don't need much more than that one guy unless you want minions to be what your build is about. Complaining that this means everyone should be necro is like saying that Loreweave is the only viable armor. You know it's not true. Not everyone has to focus on max resists.

Edit: I just realized I didn't actually link to the thread I'm talking about. I'm getting this thread confused with the other one about necro. x_x
Furthermore, the Trade Manifesto delenda est.

Bone Mommy did nothing wrong. I want to join the Syndicate.
Last edited by 007Bistromath#2026 on Jan 4, 2020, 7:16:56 PM
Yay nerf everything, nerf all builds , nerf all gems, why not deleting the database and the game engine code alltogether ?

What a stupid logic of people here on forums seriously!

Play your damn Game stop complaining about builds being OP, this game is a SINGEPLAYER WITH TRADE AS QUALITY OF LIFE!


If anyone claims this Game is competive, those are the most brainless beings on earth.
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ebeninami wrote:
Yay nerf everything, nerf all builds , nerf all gems, why not deleting the database and the game engine code alltogether ?

What a stupid logic of people here on forums seriously!

Play your damn Game stop complaining about builds being OP, this game is a SINGEPLAYER WITH TRADE AS QUALITY OF LIFE!


If anyone claims this Game is competive, those are the most brainless beings on earth.


Exactly...

Those retarded who requesting nerfs in a single player game deserve a barrel stuck in the ass.


I mean.. I'm in pob right now after maybe 6 mins, with +2 gems and minion damage elder helm (30ish c if you buy it), montregul's (1c?), and 4 zombies dealing 115k damage a piece with the normal attack, on a target I choose. 40k life, 25% phys reduction, 71% ele resist + fortify.

2 pieces of gear, 3 skills + deathmark. No baron, and only 5 linked.
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ReinEuthanasia wrote:
I mean.. I'm in pob right now after maybe 6 mins, with +2 gems and minion damage elder helm (30ish c if you buy it), montregul's (1c?), and 4 zombies dealing 115k damage a piece with the normal attack, on a target I choose. 40k life, 25% phys reduction, 71% ele resist + fortify.

2 pieces of gear, 3 skills + deathmark. No baron, and only 5 linked.


Cry me a river... Idc
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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:
i can do minotaur with a few Chaos orbs-build as summoner
which other class is able to do it? or was.


Miner, Trapper, Toxic Rain, Scourge Arrow, Cyclone, Totems, Double Strike, Vortex, Elemental Hit to name a few skills and playstyles you can budget-build around for that.

Also items like Facebreaker and Doomfletch Prism cost nothing and can get you to endgame.

On a sidenote, its also easier to get 6l bows than any other 6l weapons or items besides Tabula, due to easy to farm div cards (in the story even).

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