SSF Challange rewards vs non SSF. (Please listen to my cries).

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DnBChicken wrote:

You guys missing the point. I never go back to the trade league. Never! I stay SSF forever. Or my own server where I was in. I like to grind and not to buy stuff. That is boring as hell. It feels like you guys can't read. I love the grind that's why I like SSF more. But. If you wanna do challanges. Compared to trade. And when I wanna get the item last portal/wings anything. You wont get it in SSF because I have life. But in trade league I can still get it when I play the game. Because you buy most equipment + maps.

I think that you're the one missing the point.

The game is balance around challenges having a certain accessibility in trade leagues.

SSF is absolutely unrelated to the overall balance of the game, and it's only natural that it is going to take more time to get things done there, you are imposing yourself an additional restriction, it's all on you and it's not going to change, really.

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DnBChicken wrote:

I'm sure the GGG developers can bring up the stats what shows how few people get the last item in SSF compared to trade in %. If they have the statistics. (IF YOU CAN'T READ THEN I EXPLAIN) I said COMPARED TO TRADE not overall people get the last item. I know it's suppose to be hard grind. BUT COMPARED TO TRADE. I hope this time you guys can read?

The point of SSF is NOT to allow people with your playtime to reach the last challenges, how is it hard to understand ?
What if they would show statistics ? It would not matter, nobody cares about how many people get to 36/46 or 40/40 in SSF, the point is not to have as many people getting those challenges done this way.

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DnBChicken wrote:

I'm astonished that people guess so much from me. Don't play ssf if you don't like grind was the best comment. Dude really? I play SSF for the grind. Just don't make the challange grind 3x harder than in trade

So, YOU come to the forum and try to CHANCE the game because it does not fit YOURS expectations ?
Do you realize how selfish that is ?
Let me tell you : your expectations do not matter.

You like grind but the grind is too much ?
Too bad

GGG does not want to give any incentive to play SSF, they only added SSF leagues because the SSF community was ALREADY there, they want people to play trade leagues.

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Mercur1al_J wrote:

I think GGG can make 4 kinds of challenge. One for sc, one for hc, one for ssf, one for ssfhc. And all of these share the same 40 challenges, but there will be a different reward. For example, they may have different colors.

So it could solve the problem. If you play ssf, for example, you can complete your challenge, maybe you will spend twice time as you say, but you can get a challenge reward with different color. And all of this states that you won the reward by playing ssf mode.

Is that cool?

No, because GGG do not want to push people into other game modes with carrots, they don't want some SC players feeling bad because other people brags about their cool HC rewards, they don't want people to play SSF to get different rewards because it would mean less people in trade leagues where they should play in GGG's eyes.

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Mercur1al_J wrote:

I think GGG can make 4 kinds of challenge. One for sc, one for hc, one for ssf, one for ssfhc. And all of these share the same 40 challenges, but there will be a different reward. For example, they may have different colors.

So it could solve the problem. If you play ssf, for example, you can complete your challenge, maybe you will spend twice time as you say, but you can get a challenge reward with different color. And all of this states that you won the reward by playing ssf mode.

Is that cool?

No. They used to have different challenges for HC and SC, and you had to play both to complete them all. There is a reason they are not doing that anymore.

Either play the basic game mode around which the challenges are designed, or play the harder modes if you like them, but do not ask for an extra reward just because you want to make it harder on yourself.

Softcore and trade players should not be forced to play HC or SSF in order to obtain all available rewards.

i dont get the problem
play ssf till you did all challenges that you find reasonable for ssf and than leave ssf to trade league

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DER_PSYCHOPATH wrote:

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Mercur1al_J wrote:

I think GGG can make 4 kinds of challenge. One for sc, one for hc, one for ssf, one for ssfhc. And all of these share the same 40 challenges, but there will be a different reward. For example, they may have different colors.

So it could solve the problem. If you play ssf, for example, you can complete your challenge, maybe you will spend twice time as you say, but you can get a challenge reward with different color. And all of this states that you won the reward by playing ssf mode.

Is that cool?

No. They used to have different challenges for HC and SC, and you had to play both to complete them all. There is a reason they are not doing that anymore.

Either play the basic game mode around which the challenges are designed, or play the harder modes if you like them, but do not ask for an extra reward just because you want to make it harder on yourself.

Softcore and trade players should not be forced to play HC or SSF in order to obtain all available rewards.

Well, I don't know they used to have different challenges for HC and SC.

While I play ssf, I don't really want to finish the challenge, because they are really hard in ssf. I got 36 challenges in ssf in Betrayal League, but it's too painful. So after that, I don't want to complete the challenge in ssf, or almost 24 challenges. If I want the challenge reward, I would create a sc character for that.

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ciel289 wrote:

i dont get the problem
play ssf till you did all challenges that you find reasonable for ssf and than leave ssf to trade league

Can't argue vs that. Haven't tried that. Everything transfers right? But sadly I will never do that though. Tradeing is boring.

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Mercur1al_J wrote:

I think GGG can make 4 kinds of challenge. One for sc, one for hc, one for ssf, one for ssfhc. And all of these share the same 40 challenges, but there will be a different reward. For example, they may have different colors.

So it could solve the problem. If you play ssf, for example, you can complete your challenge, maybe you will spend twice time as you say, but you can get a challenge reward with different color. And all of this states that you won the reward by playing ssf mode.

Is that cool?

Yep. I just want something to change. I'm tired of seeing trade league players think they are abouve all. And all the world goes around them. Like this guy @Fruz

I believe the only reason why they haven't changed that already because trade league players start crying like this @Fruz (He is just good example). :D. Trade league has majority of players and I believe they are the ones who cry the most too. Then comes other leagues "HC", "SSF" and "SSF-HC". People like him are kind of stubborn.

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DnBChicken wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

i dont get the problem
play ssf till you did all challenges that you find reasonable for ssf and than leave ssf to trade league

Can't argue vs that. Haven't tried that. Everything transfers right? But sadly I will never do that though. Tradeing is boring.

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Mercur1al_J wrote:

I think GGG can make 4 kinds of challenge. One for sc, one for hc, one for ssf, one for ssfhc. And all of these share the same 40 challenges, but there will be a different reward. For example, they may have different colors.

So it could solve the problem. If you play ssf, for example, you can complete your challenge, maybe you will spend twice time as you say, but you can get a challenge reward with different color. And all of this states that you won the reward by playing ssf mode.

Is that cool?

Yep. I just want something to change. I'm tired of seeing trade league players think they are abouve all. And all the world goes around them. Like this guy @Fruz

I believe the only reason why they haven't changed that already because trade league players start crying like this @Fruz (He is just good example). :D. Trade league has majority of players and I believe they are the ones who cry the most too. Then comes other leagues "HC", "SSF" and "SSF-HC". People like him are kind of stubborn.

Fruz is just telling you facts here, this has nothing to do with him or tradeleague players but only with the fact that GGG decided to only balance around trade softcore. They (GGG) decided they don't want to balance SSF/Hardcore separately in any way. You can dislike that, you can make complaint topics like this about it, but you shouldn't expect this to change. I mean just look the balance mess we have in trade leages, they can't even manage to balance that properly, how are they ever supposed to balance 2 separate modes individually on top of that?

As someone who hates trading and hardly ever does it the only advice I can give, if you want to play SSF, forget about Challenges and, better even, about leagues all together. Challenge hunting and SSF will never go hand in hand.

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ciel289 wrote:

i dont get the problem
play ssf till you did all challenges that you find reasonable for ssf and than leave ssf to trade league

^^^ This. It's what I've been doing. I always level a few character in SSF, play normally, then towards the end of the league send a guy out with a bunch of currency to buy challenges and gear to get OP.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

If SSF takes too long/is too hard for you then play tradeleague. The game is designed around softcore tradeleagues, not around HC and/or SSF. Those two modes are optional for people who WANT IT TO BE HARDER. Making them easier would literally remove their purpose.

Please read what I said. If you still didn't get it then read again. It feels like you can't read well or for you it's really hard to see other peoples perspective.

(Trying to explain again for simple people).
I only said make it little bit easyer. Or change something. To make it that the grind is worth. Deserving. Right now you play and grind alot to get the same item what others get by doing ALOT less.
I'm like whut. It's like people do something what they like but when they do that they have to work harder to get what others get by doing ALOT less. (I guess it's too complicated for you, you didn't understand the thing what I said earlyer). : /
I hope you understand now someway. Or you are really stubborn.

Lets say that way, if you wanna get items in SSF you have to grind and trade league has to grind less (see there wasn't alot). Or change the color little bit. Or something. Little bit different challanges but still really hard and grinding.
Just make it little, I said "little". Little, little? Little bit easyer.
Or change the color. Little bit. Change the name atleast? Like "SSF epic wings" (that's a name). Or make less effects on it or more little bit. I said little and when I say little I mean little little. (Little as hard too see).

If you don't understand that then. You are hopless. And I'm sorry, truly sorry. (Wasted too much time on you. I think you don't deserve it). :(

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Fruz is just telling you facts here, this has nothing to do with him or tradeleague players but only with the fact that GGG decided to only balance around trade softcore. They (GGG) decided they don't want to balance SSF/Hardcore separately in any way. You can dislike that, you can make complaint topics like this about it, but you shouldn't expect this to change. I mean just look the balance mess we have in trade leages, they can't even manage to balance that properly, how are they ever supposed to balance 2 separate modes individually on top of that?

As someone who hates trading and hardly ever does it the only advice I can give, if you want to play SSF, forget about Challenges and, better even, about leagues all together. Challenge hunting and SSF will never go hand in hand.

It's easy to balance. Remove tradeing. Without tradeing it's so much easyer to balance. Don't believe me? Look other games. But then again. People in trade league start crying. + it's not that hard to change challanges. It takes max 1-3 days of working by one dude and asking questions from others to make that happen. The only problem is players in trade league. Who start to protest and start to make tears. (How do I know it's ez and doesn't take long?) You just change some numbers when the challanges are ready. 1-3 days. :D

LMAO

God I love these end-of-league threads, how oblivious can you even get?

OP: Before you embarass yourself any further, you might want to check the character tabs of the people you're calling out. And while you're at it, take a peek at the Achievements tab as well, because when you're talking about someone like Fruz who is fairly well known as a veteran HC SSF player, and you've never:

-Killed any of the breachlords
-Cleared all yellow maps
-Beaten the Core map EVEN ONCE
-6-linked an item

It really doesn't reflect well on your credibility.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

LMAO

God I love these end-of-league threads, how oblivious can you even get?

OP: Before you embarass yourself any further, you might want to check the character tabs of the people you're calling out. And while you're at it, take a peek at the Achievements tab as well, because when you're talking about someone like Fruz who is fairly well known as a veteran HC SSF player, and you've never:

-Killed any of the breachlords
-Cleared all yellow maps
-Beaten the Core map EVEN ONCE
-6-linked an item

It really doesn't reflect well on your credibility.

There's a good chance he hasn't, but you shouldn't go by those. I'm apparently still stuck on Brutus.