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It's what I use atm. Yes it's amazing, I haven't got any form of stutter or lag in blight, sometimes I didn't see the loading at all when loading map(instant load)
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Posted bygaluf#4435on Dec 1, 2019, 4:16:56 PM
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15 billion answers already, but from a SATA SSD to m.2 there's no difference in PoE, if you do lots of file transfers then you can transfer to like 4 SATA SSDs and still not max out the m.2 speed.
Still, m.2 has no cables, takes up less space, and is the future, no reason not to upgrade if you have the option and they're getting cheaper and cheaper
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RAM disk ... get 32gbs of RAM (surprisingly cheap these days to be honest, it's not a bank breaker)
32 GB of RAM is not cheap. nobody in their right mind would choose the hassle and risk of the minimal speed increase 99.999999% of the public will get from a ram disk over 1TB of SSD, which costs less than 32GB of RAM in USA. What a stupid suggestion Last edited by Imaginaerum#5568 on Dec 1, 2019, 4:59:19 PM
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Posted byImaginaerum#5568on Dec 1, 2019, 4:56:51 PM
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Anubis2108 wrote:
I use this myself.
I felt the difference instantly.
I barely have a loading screen. If you are considering it, i highly recomend it.
Keep in mind that it is only NVME that is faster than a SSD. Other M2 cards are as fast as a SSD, and you need a motherboard that can make use of the NVME technology.
As an excample comparing a regular samsung SSD with a samsung NVME m2
Samsung SSD 850 EVO
Sequential Read: Max. 540 MB/s
Sequential Write: Max. 520 MB/s
Samsung NVME m2 970 pro
Sequential Read: Max. 3400 MB/s
Sequential Write: Max. 2700 MB/s
You didn't compare shit. You just listed theoretical speeds listed on the product's page.
To clarify some things: M.2 is just a connector, an M.2 SSD can be the same as an SSD that uses a SATA Connector.
You might mean an NVME SSD, which uses an M.2 connector (but not every M.2 SSD is an NVME) which those are theoritcally faster than regular AHCI SATA SSDs. "Theortical" because it heavily depends on use case - for most games, loading times are only improved by a couple of seconds, same for bootup times. NVMEs really shine once you start to frequently read/write large files - for example big video projects and the likes.
So the difference won't be significant between an NVME and a reular SATA SSD.
To furthermore clarify on the differences between different SSDs, you can refer to this infographic:
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Posted byDaCurse#3112on Dec 1, 2019, 5:03:38 PM
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Imaginaerum wrote:
15 billion answers already, but from a SATA SSD to m.2 there's no difference in PoE, if you do lots of file transfers then you can transfer to like 4 SATA SSDs and still not max out the m.2 speed.
Still, m.2 has no cables, takes up less space, and is the future, no reason not to upgrade if you have the option and they're getting cheaper and cheaper
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RAM disk ... get 32gbs of RAM (surprisingly cheap these days to be honest, it's not a bank breaker)
32 GB of RAM is not cheap. nobody in their right mind would choose the hassle and risk of the minimal speed increase 99.999999% of the public will get from a ram disk over 1TB of SSD, which costs less than 32GB of RAM in USA. What a stupid suggestion
Not at all a stupid suggestion if you would have used better reading comprehension
"If you really want ideal load times"
which is true, but never did I endorse it. Also 132 ain't that bad... that's less than half the price of a good cpu.
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Posted byGutterflower#5744on Dec 1, 2019, 5:07:32 PM
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Not at all a stupid suggestion if you would have used better reading comprehension
"If you really want ideal load times"
which is true, but never did I endorse it. Also 132 ain't that bad... that's less than half the price of a good cpu.
wtf does a CPU price have to do with RAM prices? RAM disks are stupid suggestions to the vast majority of the public. You will not get a noticeably faster load time from a RAM disk than someone with an m.2
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Posted byImaginaerum#5568on Dec 1, 2019, 5:12:23 PM
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It's still the fastest possible loading
and by far the fastest possible patching just because allocating space will take microseconds
Gotta be optimal bro
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Posted byGutterflower#5744on Dec 1, 2019, 6:01:26 PM
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DaCurse wrote:
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Anubis2108 wrote:
I use this myself.
I felt the difference instantly.
I barely have a loading screen. If you are considering it, i highly recomend it.
Keep in mind that it is only NVME that is faster than a SSD. Other M2 cards are as fast as a SSD, and you need a motherboard that can make use of the NVME technology.
As an excample comparing a regular samsung SSD with a samsung NVME m2
Samsung SSD 850 EVO
Sequential Read: Max. 540 MB/s
Sequential Write: Max. 520 MB/s
Samsung NVME m2 970 pro
Sequential Read: Max. 3400 MB/s
Sequential Write: Max. 2700 MB/s
You didn't compare shit. You just listed theoretical speeds listed on the product's page.
To clarify some things: M.2 is just a connector, an M.2 SSD can be the same as an SSD that uses a SATA Connector.
You might mean an NVME SSD, which uses an M.2 connector (but not every M.2 SSD is an NVME) which those are theoritcally faster than regular AHCI SATA SSDs. "Theortical" because it heavily depends on use case - for most games, loading times are only improved by a couple of seconds, same for bootup times. NVMEs really shine once you start to frequently read/write large files - for example big video projects and the likes.
So the difference won't be significant between an NVME and a reular SATA SSD.
To furthermore clarify on the differences between different SSDs, you can refer to this infographic:
Not sure you read the entire post.
I mentioned the difference myself, i did not go into much detail. But i did mention it.
However, the speeds are actually very close to what is being shown.
Since you apperently want to discuss this, i will post a diskmark test for each of the different types of storage units i own. I just did thees test myself using crystaldiskmark. If you wish to know what each of the test means, you can read more about that here.
https://wiki.mikejung.biz/CrystalDiskMark
NVME m2 970 pro:
8GB file size:
16MB file size
WDC WD10EZEX HDD "Blue Edition"
8GB file size:
16MB file size
CT1000MX500SSD1 "SSD"
8GB file size:
16MB file size
Please notice, i did not put up a test enviroment before doing thees test. I did not want to do that much work for it.
I was actually watching a movie while i did thees test.
You might notice that my M2 NVME is the 500gb version, and not the 1TB version. And as far as i remember there is a difference on thoes two products which might explain the 2.2gb writing speed, not to mention that it was not a test enviroment.
The question is though how much would this mean in the game actually?
Well, i am not going through the hassle of recording videoes running the game on each of my storage units. But i can tell you that i barely notice the loading screen on the NVME m2 card. I would imagine the difference from the M2 NVME card to the SSD drive is about 1-3 secs on average.
Clearly the difference is much larger compared to the regular HDD drive.
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Posted byAnubis2108#3783on Dec 1, 2019, 6:04:27 PM
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Riince wrote:
It's still the fastest possible loading
and by far the fastest possible patching just because allocating space will take microseconds
Gotta be optimal bro
Optimal was an interesting word to use.
What do you mean is optimal? The speed?
installing path of exile everytime you close the computer?
Reserving a portion of the ram? so for people that have 16gb of ram or less thats probaly not even going to happen.
How much space does path of exile take again?
Ram is volatile, everytime the ram is losing power, it will erase everything being saved to the virtuel drive.
Please stop it..
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Posted byAnubis2108#3783on Dec 1, 2019, 6:28:08 PM
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The last time i hard shut down my pc was sometime in April. I either leave it on or do Sleep mode, neither of which will cause poe to uninstall.
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Posted byGutterflower#5744on Dec 1, 2019, 6:46:22 PM
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Anubis2108 wrote:
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DaCurse wrote:
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Anubis2108 wrote:
I use this myself.
I felt the difference instantly.
I barely have a loading screen. If you are considering it, i highly recomend it.
Keep in mind that it is only NVME that is faster than a SSD. Other M2 cards are as fast as a SSD, and you need a motherboard that can make use of the NVME technology.
As an excample comparing a regular samsung SSD with a samsung NVME m2
Samsung SSD 850 EVO
Sequential Read: Max. 540 MB/s
Sequential Write: Max. 520 MB/s
Samsung NVME m2 970 pro
Sequential Read: Max. 3400 MB/s
Sequential Write: Max. 2700 MB/s
You didn't compare shit. You just listed theoretical speeds listed on the product's page.
To clarify some things: M.2 is just a connector, an M.2 SSD can be the same as an SSD that uses a SATA Connector.
You might mean an NVME SSD, which uses an M.2 connector (but not every M.2 SSD is an NVME) which those are theoritcally faster than regular AHCI SATA SSDs. "Theortical" because it heavily depends on use case - for most games, loading times are only improved by a couple of seconds, same for bootup times. NVMEs really shine once you start to frequently read/write large files - for example big video projects and the likes.
So the difference won't be significant between an NVME and a reular SATA SSD.
To furthermore clarify on the differences between different SSDs, you can refer to this infographic:
Not sure you read the entire post.
I mentioned the difference myself, i did not go into much detail. But i did mention it.
However, the speeds are actually very close to what is being shown.
Since you apperently want to discuss this, i will post a diskmark test for each of the different types of storage units i own. I just did thees test myself using crystaldiskmark. If you wish to know what each of the test means, you can read more about that here.
https://wiki.mikejung.biz/CrystalDiskMark
NVME m2 970 pro:
8GB file size:
16MB file size
WDC WD10EZEX HDD "Blue Edition"
8GB file size:
16MB file size
CT1000MX500SSD1 "SSD"
8GB file size:
16MB file size
Please notice, i did not put up a test enviroment before doing thees test. I did not want to do that much work for it.
I was actually watching a movie while i did thees test.
You might notice that my M2 NVME is the 500gb version, and not the 1TB version. And as far as i remember there is a difference on thoes two products which might explain the 2.2gb writing speed, not to mention that it was not a test enviroment.
The question is though how much would this mean in the game actually?
Well, i am not going through the hassle of recording videoes running the game on each of my storage units. But i can tell you that i barely notice the loading screen on the NVME m2 card. I would imagine the difference from the M2 NVME card to the SSD drive is about 1-3 secs on average.
Clearly the difference is much larger compared to the regular HDD drive.
Again, just because one is 3000mb/s and the other is "only" 500mb/s does not mean the first one is practically faster. Because you ignored usecase yet again - in real life application this speed difference is irrelevant and unnoticeable, show me how long it takes windows to boot with each, or poe to load with each (You don't need to, plenty have already and with many different games and the results clear - the difference is meaningless)
Just because the speed is higher does not mean it's better- it never actually reaches those speeds unless you utilize the drive heavily by constantly working with huge files, which is where it actually is worth over SATA.
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Posted byDaCurse#3112on Dec 2, 2019, 12:55:37 AM
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