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" Baharoth15 wrote: If GGG went ahead and nerfed ranged down to the level where melee currently is i wouldn't mind at all. When they buffed melee to the level of current top meta skills i would quit the game because counting damage in shapers per second isn't my type of amusement. Why? ARPGs are one big difficulty slider, if you aren't bothered by how high the performance ceiling is and what the others are doing, as you claim yourself, you can just use a fun but crappy weapon, go with a 4 link or make the game harder in other ways. See, that's exactly the kind of low tier elitism I'm talking about. You're fairly new here so it's fine if you aren't aware of it, but there isn't a playstyle in the game that hasn't been killed directly or indirectly at one point or another. Bows, selfcasting, totems, triggers, traps/mines, offense, defense, we've seen it all, they aren't afraid of doing it and the game obviously didn't die. We could see some of their recent attempts to give the player more defensive tools, we saw passive bonuses, pantheon, active defenses, and it fell flat. The tools are there but they kinda fizzled out and don't play a significant role in the meta because there's little demand for it. The game is so entrenched in its current state they simply can't dislodge it anymore by providing more options to the bottomfeeders and I don't think they like that. It's possible they plan on doing something about the challenge top tiers will be facing in PoE2, and if they don't have some grand plan for melee when it happens, it will get even deader than it already is. Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs. ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/balancedux]► ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/one-vision1]► Last edited by raics#7540 on Dec 13, 2019, 8:44:32 AM	Posted by raics#7540 on Dec 13, 2019, 8:43:26 AM Quote this Post
2020 almost and people are still holding onto hope that ggg can make actual name lock melee skills be good with drastic content altering changes. History shows they cannot. The only solution ggg is capable of implementing that will ever make stuff like glacial hammer worth playing is if it can off screen enemies like ts can. my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.	Posted by Legatus1982#1658 on Dec 13, 2019, 9:24:25 AM Quote this Post
" raics wrote: " Baharoth15 wrote: If GGG went ahead and nerfed ranged down to the level where melee currently is i wouldn't mind at all. When they buffed melee to the level of current top meta skills i would quit the game because counting damage in shapers per second isn't my type of amusement. Why? ARPGs are one big difficulty slider, if you aren't bothered by how high the performance ceiling is and what the others are doing, as you claim yourself, you can just use a fun but crappy weapon, go with a 4 link or make the game harder in other ways. See, that's exactly the kind of low tier elitism I'm talking about. You're fairly new here so it's fine if you aren't aware of it, but there isn't a playstyle in the game that hasn't been killed directly or indirectly at one point or another. Bows, selfcasting, totems, triggers, traps/mines, offense, defense, we've seen it all, they aren't afraid of doing it and the game obviously didn't die. We could see some of their recent attempts to give the player more defensive tools, we saw passive bonuses, pantheon, active defenses, and it fell flat. The tools are there but they kinda fizzled out and don't play a significant role in the meta because there's little demand for it. The game is so entrenched in its current state they simply can't dislodge it anymore by providing more options to the bottomfeeders and I don't think they like that. It's possible they plan on doing something about the challenge top tiers will be facing in PoE2, and if they don't have some grand plan for melee when it happens, it will get even deader than it already is. That wouldn't be fun for me and obviously i am concerned about me having fun in this game just like every one of you. With the slight difference that i can live with the status quo. Forgoing trade to make the game harder isn't really a downside for me, it's an unnatural thing to do in an arpg to begin with (in my understanding of an arpg at least) and i am not enjoying it so i am fine with gimping myself here. But being forced to use bad gear to have the game somewhat interesting would be a different story. You can call that lowtier elitism if you want i don't care. You want the game to fit your needs, i want it to fit mine at least in that we are the same.	Posted by Baharoth15#0429 on Dec 13, 2019, 10:17:04 AM Quote this Post
" Baharoth15 wrote: You want the game to fit your needs, i want it to fit mine at least in that we are the same. To be perfectly clear here, I'd prefer if they balanced this game downwards, and that would work for you too. Dunno where you got the idea that people here are necessarily calling for melee to be as broken as some other options, we want the same baseline and where that falls can be discussed further, there's probably some nice middle ground they can shoot for. Sure, we'd take breaking everything equally if there's no other way but it isn't my first choice. But, the first thing most melee enthusiasts want is smoother mechanics, and that isn't conflicting with your interests. Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs. ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/balancedux]► ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/one-vision1]►	Posted by raics#7540 on Dec 13, 2019, 11:26:00 AM Quote this Post
" sidtherat wrote: POE isnt competetive because it is so unbalanced and luck based noone would agree to call it a sport. But there are competition events like 30k usd race starting shortly. Guess what: there will be NO melee characters competing because competetive or not melee in POE is shit. . Old races had at least best racer per archetype, nowadays with those 0 effort races paid by streamers only 1 or 2 racing archetype are viable and they are not melee. So melee is bad for race, it is bad for end-game too. It s average at best for speed leveling compared to other archetypes. It have nothing for it, balance is shit yet it keep getting nerfed as soon as a skill is doing ok. Forum pvp https://www.instagram.com/critterspencils/ Last edited by lolozori#1147 on Dec 13, 2019, 11:51:42 AM	Posted by lolozori#1147 on Dec 13, 2019, 11:49:36 AM Quote this Post
" lolozori wrote: " sidtherat wrote: POE isnt competetive because it is so unbalanced and luck based noone would agree to call it a sport. But there are competition events like 30k usd race starting shortly. Guess what: there will be NO melee characters competing because competetive or not melee in POE is shit. . Old races had at least best racer per archetype, nowadays with those 0 effort races paid by streamers only 1 or 2 racing archetype are viable and they are not melee. So melee is bad for race, it is bad for end-game too. It s average at best for speed leveling compared to other archetypes. It have nothing for it, balance is shit yet it keep getting nerfed as soon as a skill is doing ok. this is an interesting point. Ive seen streamers arguing that competing in a category that is clearly a lot slower than what other alternatives sucks out the fun. like all time they're going slower they are thinking of how they could be going so much faster.	Posted by grepman#2451 on Dec 13, 2019, 1:26:29 PM Quote this Post