Please remove lightning golem wrath

I use lightning golem all the time for that bit of attack/cast speed. Every single one of my characters has a cwdt-golem setup bc its an easy bonus - equivalent to a notable passive - and I can almost always spare the sockets.

So one golem doesn’t work with EE. Most setups don’t. I’ve never used EE as there are many other ways to stack penetration or reduced enemy res; I’d suggest looking into that if the 9% cast speed is really important.

Even with 0.0% on poe.ninja there's still 6 high level players who use lightning golems in a 5+ link and potentially lots more at lower levels and/or use a 4 or 3 link instead.

By the way, one of those high levels is me (https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Diskthree/NoPreEffectAniCancel?i=1&search=skill%3DSummon-Lightning-Golem). Increasing lightning golem damage won't fix the problems with Lightning Golem, of course, but neither will removing a unique aspect of the minion just so another goddamn build can use EE.

Suck it up and find a way to make it work without using EE; I had to. Not every build has to use EE.

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smtad wrote:

If I use avatar of fire to avoid its additional lightning damage, I can't shock enemies by Elementalist's Beacon of Ruin.

If I choose not using avatar of fire, I can't apply EE on enemies.

So ... what ?
You don't reliably shock using avatar of fire ( outside of vaal lightning trap and skitter bots ), so what ?
This game is ( or was at least ) all about making choices, obviously if you decide to proc EE with avatar of fire you can't shock anymore ...

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smtad wrote:

It's not a good thing that you designed a skill but NO ONE use it.

Please read against what's on your screenshot :
Main Skills (5+ links)


Of course there are players using lightning golem, for a main summoning setup flame golem is just stronger because it only casts spells

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Fruz wrote:

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smtad wrote:

It's not a good thing that you designed a skill but NO ONE use it.

Please read against what's on your screenshot :
Main Skills (5+ links)

This is exactly what made me decide that this thread is some lazy trolling.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

To be clear, I am not making the statement that the lightning golem is perfect and needs no adjustment. I wouldn't know, I haven't studied any data to say either way. I'm just saying that the golem having this particular spell isn't a problem. Some skills being more convenient partners for EE than others is normal.

lightning golem is the ONLY one that grants 2 buffs. So why not make it just grant attack/cast speed to consist with others? Why is it so different?

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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smtad wrote:

It's not a good thing that you designed a skill but NO ONE use it.

Please read against what's on your screenshot :
Main Skills (5+ links)

This is exactly what made me decide that this thread is some lazy trolling.

You can go every thread and declaim your trolling statements that

Please ignore it, you can solve any problems.

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smtad wrote:

You can go every thread and declaim your trolling statements that

Please ignore it, you can solve any problems.

I'm sorry, but I legit cannot make any sense out of what you just wrote.

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Fruz wrote:

So ... what ?
You don't reliably shock using avatar of fire ( outside of vaal lightning trap and skitter bots ), so what ?
This game is ( or was at least ) all about making choices, obviously if you decide to proc EE with avatar of fire you can't shock anymore ...

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smtad wrote:

It's not a good thing that you designed a skill but NO ONE use it.

Please read against what's on your screenshot :
Main Skills (5+ links)
Of course there are players using lightning golem, for a main summoning setup flame golem is just stronger because it only casts spells

Yes, main skill is just what I mean. lightning golem should has the same power level with others as a main skill.

Yes, this game is all about making choices. But it doesn't mean you don't have to balance this game. All what I said is just BALANCE. If not, why so many people cry "melee is weak, slef-cast is weak.....?" You can make your choice not to play melee and the problem solved, can't you?

Without EE, lightning golem is much weaker than other golems in similar investment. That's why its usage is 0.0%.

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smtad wrote:

It's not a good thing that you designed a skill but NO ONE use it.

EE was well-used a few leagues ago, it has lost a lot of value though, that's true.

And then we look over to minion-builds and see a ton of them running around with EE suddenly.

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smtad wrote:

They had tuned flame/lightning golem's damage into EE. You wouldn't like their damage without EE.

Play a golemancer and say that again. That build is a beast. Also no EE.


Lightning-Golem is a support-golem, not a Main-setup. Obviously 0,0% is common.
Also I use it at bow-builds, claw-builds (they are a joke now though) and generally all builds which depends on some sort of attack-speed for scaling. The lightning-damage added from the golem provides a good amount of extra DPS for barely any investment.

So... I would say it's actually fairly good. Has a broad range of usage in builds... just as an auxiliary golem rather then a main-setup. That's like saying that nobody plays with contagion as their main-setup... it's obviously not MEANT to be a main-DD gem.

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Fruz wrote:

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smtad wrote:

You can go every thread and declaim your trolling statements that
Please ignore it, you can solve any problems.

I'm sorry, but I legit cannot make any sense out of what you just wrote.

He said just to play other golems.

Yes, you can solve any problem by ignoring it. But what I said is all about balance.