Unnatural Strength not affecting support gems
"easy: https://pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1930848#p14656749 " | |
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Just bumping it because why not.
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This is intended.
Quote from Rory: "Support Gems are different from Skill Gems, not a subset of them. This is a little bit confusing because of some old discontinued naming conventions!" Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/czot6y/summoner_things_that_we_still_could_use_info_on/ez1wcd0/ ~Myth |
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If they discontinued those naming conventions they could've at least said so somewhere in patch notes :/
Well, at least someone from GGG confirmed it is not a bug. Apparently. | |
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I always thought that "Skill Gem" is a colored thing that goes into socket. Active or Support - both are skill gems. In this days here is Deathmark Support, that also provides active skill, and Bane that uses curses as supports.
Anyway, Unnatural Strength could be patched to improve supports too. Because Phantasms, Infernal Legion.... Last edited by LeadRaven on Sep 18, 2019, 4:11:01 AM
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I don't expect it to be tbh. At +2 to all active skill gems, it is BY FAR the strongest necro node for most minion based builds. Pretty much any build utilizing minions in any way will take this node. Boosting it any further (and making it boost supports would be a quite a big boost) would only widen the gap between it and the other necro nodes.
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" Those are gems. Skill and support are two subsets of gems. As for phantasms, i believe the level of the phantasm itself (not the gem) is based on the level of the skill it's attached to, so your not losing out on much there. Infernal legion is different, and a shame. It would be nice if the node supported all gems, not just skill gems but for *most* of the minion supports, the difference is pretty negligible. | |
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There are several problems here:
First, the description of Unnatural Strength is "+2 to Level of all Minion Skill Gems". It contains the word "all" which is an absolute. It means there are no exceptions. Second, what gems are affected by a passive skill or an item is usually determined by the gem's tags, and the supports in question do indeed contain the "minion" tag. Third, in the in-game help articles, information on support gems is found in the articles titled "Skill Gems I" and "Skill Gems II". There is no "Support Gems" article in there. If GGG means for them to be interpreted as different things, perhaps they should start presenting them to us as different things instead of grouping them together. If Unnatural Strength is supposed to affect all minion gems, as its description states, then its failure to do so is a bug. If Unnatural Strength is working as intended, then the description is incorrect, and that flawed description is a bug. Either way, a bug exists. Take note, that with similar things such as the Consuming Dark dagger it states "+1 to level of all fire spell skill gems", and it affects gems with the "fire" and "spell" tags. Similar for the Agnerod Staves, the description says "lightning spell skill gems" and they affect gems with the "lightning" and "spell" tags. Unnatural Strength just says "minion" thus it should affect all gems with the minion tag. If it's only meant to affect "minion spell" gems, then that's what it should say. |
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" It seemed pretty obvious to me on the first read. Affects minion skill gems, not support. Also if a description is written incorrectly that's not a bug. Last edited by poeGT on Sep 27, 2019, 4:11:28 AM
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"The question was already answered by GGG and quoted in this very thread. Those naming conventions have been superseded, and it is working as intended. Skill gems and support gems are different things. Agnerod staves do not give levels to support gems with matching tags; only to skill gems. Ditto with consuming dark. In the help files, despite the titles "Skill gems 1" and "Skill gems 2", reading the content makes it very clear that support gems are not skill gems. "Support gems work very similarly to skill gems, except they don't grant you a skill by themselves. Instead, support gems can augment the skill gems they are linked to". The language used unequivocally separates skill gems as the gems giving skills, and support gems as the gems supporting skill gems. Last edited by Pathological on Sep 27, 2019, 5:59:41 AM
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