Why is shit tier map farming more rewarding than red tier map farming.

Less risk, less cost, more efficient, faster in just about every way. Similar amount of loot. You can maintain your maps easier than eating a cake.

Red tier maps? More cost, slower, more required to maintain maps, less efficient, less incentive to play as parties, just in general, less everytyhing.

Get real GGG... tired of seeing players like Empyrian making bank from doing the easiest content in the game.

What? Do you really run red tier maps slower than yellow/white? Also of course there is bigger benefit - more drops from legion mobs, better shaper/elder bases, fragmets which still sell for about 10c each. I'll run tier 15/16 all day and come out with more stuff than lower tier maps.

Unless we are talking about something like burial chambers where you can get lucky.

It's giving more than uber elder / shaper farming is the best part :x

Of course it's slower. Especially when it comes to legion rares and bosses, running t-16's with full sextants and influence just to have map sustain makes it faaar slower.

Thats like how your problem, man. I never found it slower at all, still kill the legion encounter in seconds.

Seems like we have a few sub-par builds for farming here trying to discuss why red maps are better!

Well, this league... red maps are utter garbage once again.

Farming uber-elder and shaper takes too long to be rewarding, the most reliable method to farm actually is via T2 Glacier maps with an ED/Contagion build, not even clearing but only running in to trigger Legion itself. Alch&Go maps.

Why that?

Because Legion has the biggest density of valuable loot available, Glacier provides a roughly 95% of spawning the Monolith at the beginning of the map and the amount of Div-cards and T1 currency is higher then anywhere else in the game, as well as being a reliable source. Also Unique-drops are in such abundance you'll guaranteed get at least a decent one daily.
The time-investment for each of those maps is less then 1 minute for a mediocre build, the return is sustain + a bit of bonus maps + at least 5c per map in pure currency overall.
Let#s take smaller numbers and say we're running 1 map in 2 minutes for 30 maps/h which comes down to 150c per hour without investment or danger. Those numbers are as good as Betrayal-farming was, just brain-dead this time.

Yeah, red maps are utter garbage in comparison, the investment needed versus the profit achieved isn't even close to this, also shaper/uber-elder have a large amount of investment (fragments) attached to them which need to be taken into account, hence the overall return isn't quite that much either.

It's the basic game design 99% of the rewards don't actually care what level you're doing. Since the games itemization is at a point where you're not really supposed to pick up gear, there's no reason to do high level content. Low level easy stuff is just more rewarding and less risky.

It's not really unique to this league, it's been a constant in this game for a long time, this league just exacerbates it.

Is the 1 alch required to run a red map this much of an investment? Because I keep hearing how much investment you need to do to run red tier maps.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Is the 1 alch required to run a red map this much of an investment? Because I keep hearing how much investment you need to do to run red tier maps.

If you're doing red-tier farming via alch&go you're very inefficient.

The best input/return rate is achieved via sextants+chisel+alch+zana+prophecies. Abstaining from a single one of those already reduces the amount of sustain as well as the return overall in a significant amount.

Also since you won't (outside of running with a HH or a well min-maxed build for clear-speed) have the same speed as in a T2 map you'll get actually less returns then running lower Tiers.

This league the in-map mechanic isn't affected by MF, only the secondary drops of those mobs. Hence running a build which can swiftly clear everything and therefore reliably unlock legion in less then 5 seconds as well as killing them in the same amount of time is preferred for efficiency.

It's fairly risky to try and sustain T16 (the only viable Tier to run for 'high content') only with alch&go, you might run out of maps quickly. On the other hand using the proper investment will have you double or even tripple-sustain at times, the maps are value as well after all, not to speak of the vast amount of return if you're lucky enough to get specific sextant combinations.

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Kulze wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Is the 1 alch required to run a red map this much of an investment? Because I keep hearing how much investment you need to do to run red tier maps.

If you're doing red-tier farming via alch&go you're very inefficient.

The best input/return rate is achieved via sextants+chisel+alch+zana+prophecies. Abstaining from a single one of those already reduces the amount of sustain as well as the return overall in a significant amount.

sustain is obviously easy math, anything that increases drops increases theoretical sustain.

returns tho, as in the stuff that is not map drops (sustain)... sure adding all those things increases returns, does it increase net returns tho when you factor in what you just spent?

In my experience absolutely not in the majority of cases.



you can sustain red maps with alch and go, and putting all those things you mentioned on a map will probably not lead to the map dropping additional currency and items that pay for your investment and also make a profit over simply alching the map. So I really dont see how its inefficient to alch and go red maps.


If I was trying to sustain t16 without buying any maps I might do a lot of those things. simply sustaining red maps tho, I could sustain red maps running them blue, a single alch is essentially worthless and will pay for itself so theres no reason to run them blue, but im pretty sure if I did everything you described to every red map I ran Id lose money. I lose money doing it on t16s, but it keeps me in t16s, like i said I could keep myself in t11s with transmutes so i dont rly see the point.