HH killing legion battles (especially 5-way battles)

Headhunter in legion battles completely trivializes the fight. Thanks to this item, even mediocre build with trash items will beat most min/maxed build with mirror gear (aka best you can get) that doesn't use HH. This is just absurd.

Despite most people are playing solo and you could call it mostly a single player game, PoE is still very strictly bound economically whether you party or play strictly solo.

So what it does?
- First of all, it inflates costs of emblems and splinters. Just a good build will clear 3-4 5-way waves on average, but with this clear you won't make even a fraction of the emblem cost (which are hard to combine due to being very rare - ofc I'm talking here about Maraketh). However with HH, it pays off in huge profit due to how many waves this item alone allows to clear. It's very profitable for HH users, thus there's very high demand for emblems, thus the price is very inflated.

- Secondly it makes 5-way battle completely not worth doing if you don't have HH, because it's just complete waste of currency - which is not what this should be about. Emblems should not be the "just sell it" item so that rich get even richer. Whole game economy in control of handful of people will always feel like utter crap. Those handful of people flood economy giving everyone else much harder times to come by. In other words - whole economy in Legion league is under control of HH users. If you don't own one - well grind trash for days I guess, because barely anything has a good value due to issue spoken above.

- This item alone kills the Legion endgame for like 99% of player base and pleasing 1% (just rounded number, because in reality it's way less than 1%) is just god awful balancing strategy, which GGG completely screwed up in this case.


But, I guess it's too late now - damage has been done. HH should not work with legion rares in the first place (for all sakes they should have completely different rarity - uber rares or elites or smth like that) and such change should have been implemented ASAP as those HH 5-way faceroll runs started to appear. I mean full MF build stacking quantity clears 5-way 5 times faster then a proper build costing tens of exalts. How is that not complete BS?

fight the good fight, keep expressing your opinion :D!

the HH is definitely ruining this patch and the fix to make it balanced would have been very simple for GGG by making the special legion mobs not function with HH while still allowing the non-special rares to give HH plenty of buffs.

it would still be massively valuable and sought after while not being such a dominant force in the patch.

HH is an overpowered item, yes, but the main problem here is the legion battle reward system: it give more rewards from the same investment based on clear-speed. HH just highlights this problem.

There was a lot of discussion on this before the league went live, but nothing changed. GGG will also do nothing while the league is active.

The real question is how Legion league should be implemented to core? The emblems will undoubtedly get a lot rarer and make all the problems you listed even worse.

I just really hope GGG understands to rework the reward (an even the release) system before incorporating legion to core and not just take the lazy "three monoliths per encounter with no changes"-route.

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Miská wrote:

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Not like there effort is going to do anything let them whine been happening for 12+ leagues now and we've been fine while w/e they say is utterly pointless knowing full well GGG ain't going to touch HHH in this league or in the future as it should be.

HH is fine. On the other hand splinter drop rate/balance is not fine.
I don't care if someone has gazillion dps and HH stapled on their forehead.

I care that i'm not getting enough splinters to have my own fun at least in 4-way battles.

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I_NO wrote:

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Miská wrote:

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Not like there effort is going to do anything let them whine been happening for 12+ leagues now and we've been fine while w/e they say is utterly pointless knowing full well GGG ain't going to touch HHH in this league or in the future as it should be.

I'm not sure about you but the problem isn't the HH but the way the content supports it, I personally don't have a problem with the headhunter only the social stigma that a lot of people think you cant make a viable endgame build without one, which is absurd.

And plenty of people have said they wouldnt nerf other items only for them to be made legacy and a shadow of its former self to be released.

I don't really care if they fix/change it or not, but can you at least admit that having one in this patch definitely makes you a lot more capable than most of the builds floating around?

HH does actually require a decent build with a skilled user at the helm to properly use, sure its powerful in the hands of almost anyone capable of killing a yellow quickly, In previous patches like delve it was still quite powerful but you had to keep momentum going especially when zoning into the delve boss fights and in Legion you really don't need to worry about momentum nearly as much.

So yeah my stance is legion has a problem not the headhunter.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

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Miská wrote:

Another twitch viewer in action. Zero experience, still gives cold hard facts based upon watching other people do something. I love the internet.

Not like there effort is going to do anything let them whine been happening for 12+ leagues now and we've been fine while w/e they say is utterly pointless knowing full well GGG ain't going to touch HHH in this league or in the future as it should be.

I'm not sure about you but the problem isn't the HH but the way the content supports it, I personally don't have a problem with the headhunter only the social stigma that a lot of people think you cant make a viable endgame build without one, which is absurd.

And plenty of people have said they wouldnt nerf other items only for them to be made legacy and a shadow of its former self to be released.

I don't really care if they fix/change it or not, but can you at least admit that having one in this patch definitely makes you a lot more capable than most of the builds floating around?

HH does actually require a decent build with a skilled user at the helm to properly use, sure its powerful in the hands of almost anyone capable of killing a yellow quickly, In previous patches like delve it was still quite powerful but you had to keep momentum going especially when zoning into the delve boss fights and in Legion you really don't need to worry about momentum nearly as much.

So yeah my stance is legion has a problem not the headhunter.

I'm pretty sure it's only about the emblem farming. People believe that without HH they can magically run 5 emblem stones themselves with their mediocre builds, wich is naive at best.

THat's besides the whole endgame shenanigans never being available to casuals to begin with. But just because they have an item to target, they are doing it. Wreck an item because of 1 endgame league mechanic, forever. Why would they care anyway, they will never have one.

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Miská wrote:

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Quit with your cheap memes. I did one 5-way battle (because that's how many maraketh emblems I've earned on 3 92-ish characters. Managed to do 3 full rounds (15 bosses) and I was ~240c at a loss. It was fun, but it's not the fun I can allow myself with non-HH builds (because 5 emblem set is ~240c and farming it takes ages) and you get nothing out of it (unless some lucky drop - which I didn't see happening often within 3-4waves normal builds can do).

If it wasn't so good, you would not see tens of TS MF builds with HH running 5-way round and round. But what can you tell, if you are just like everyone else - a regular player.

the headhunter is fine, the problem is the legion fight. i can not remember any league, in which an unique item had such an impact on the final encounter.