Spectre chest insanity.

+1 for craft +1 max spectre mod (make it suffix pls)!

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SilentSymphony wrote:

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grepman wrote:

You didn't really address the question I asked and statement I made

If you're speaking about the quality of life reference i fail to see how making it so one skill can gear itself relatively at the same difficulty as others would not be a general be considered quality of life improvement for said skill.

giving more ease of acquiring and thus more power, has nothing to do with 'quality of life'. giving +1 totem and +1 curse crafts weren't in any sense 'qol' improvements to totem players or cursebots.

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As for the rest I'm not sure what of your post you are speaking about,

maybe you should re-read my post then ?

I repeated it already, the statement of "I mention it since it was the last time spectre/zombie summoners were meta. They have been trash to mediocre since.", especially the bolded...

is absolutely and utterly false.

In fact... fuck that, I'm going to stop sugarcoating it and call a spade a spade.

it's an outright lie, designed to exaggerate a point and only undermines the lying person's point and further credibility.

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grepman wrote:

I repeated it already, the statement of "I mention it since it was the last time spectre/zombie summoners were meta. They have been trash to mediocre since."

is absolutely and utterly false.

In fact... fuck that, I'm going to stop sugarcoating it and call a spade a spade.

it's an outright lie, designed to exaggerate a point and only undermines the lying person's point and further credibility.

If you use certain monsters its still powerful even overpowered but quite a lot of the main act monsters aren't viable because unlike Solar Guards are missing half their ability's or worse the frequency of the ability's they do have is so infrequent compared to the few meta mobs that they are literally trash to mediocre, So yeah maybe they are great for you but to say they are for me or every single other player is absolutely and utterly false.

The OP made a pretty damned valid point on the general rarity of the spectre armour from delve which honestly should be the topic here not a comment they made 7 pages ago like a week ago.

Do you have anything to contribute to the actual topic?

I think it should be possible to actually stand a reasonable chance of getting this over the course of TWO MONTHS+, I can easily get a headhunter in much less time and its dramatically more powerful.

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grepman wrote:

maybe you should re-read my post then ?

I repeated it already, the statement of "I mention it since it was the last time spectre/zombie summoners were meta. They have been trash to mediocre since.", especially the bolded...

is absolutely and utterly false.

In fact... fuck that, I'm going to stop sugarcoating it and call a spade a spade.

it's an outright lie, designed to exaggerate a point and only undermines the lying person's point and further credibility.

First of all, in my first post I rate spectre summoners as mediocre-to-okay, that is meant to be with high investment - all minion passives, meta minion (fire eater/solar guard at the time, no idea what is meta now), supported with auras and so on. Also good gear, +1 spectre delve boots with high defenses, lvl 21 gems and whatnot. Definitely more or less competitive, with high end gear, including a +1 spectre chest.

Quality of Life is meant in the sense that, as SilentSymphony said, the grind for it is reasonable and in-line with other classes/builds high end chests, not 100x harder for a smaller power boost than those classes. I definitely do not want the chest to become a common 5c item 100s of which are floating around day 2 of a league.

Thirdly, in that post, where I rated summoners as trash-to-mediocre, that is overall ever since the snapshotting fix. Sure, after delve freed us from Bones of Ullr, after minion damage became a %More gem, after jewels got the minion damage and so on, minions became mostly playable, but for very, very long stretches of time minion builds were trash tier, except SRS. And even these days, check poe.ninja or other sites, hardly anyone plays summoners, especially at high-end content (red maps/deep delves/bosskillers), nor are summoners anywhere near the first to reach high levels and so on. Hence the idea for a change to help summoners a little bit.

Anyone heard if any changes are coming?

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SilentSymphony wrote:

If you use certain monsters its still powerful even overpowered but quite a lot of the main act monsters aren't viable because unlike Solar Guards are missing half their ability's or worse the frequency of the ability's they do have is so infrequent compared to the few meta mobs that they are literally trash to mediocre, So yeah maybe they are great for you but to say they are for me or every single other player is absolutely and utterly false.

I never said they are great for you or single other player. so yes, it is utterly false. I agree. do you have fun replying to your own statements instead of mine ? great.

no one, literally no one said that any main act monsters are good as spectres

his whole point was that AFTER SNAPSHOTTING, spectres became mediocre to trash. which is false, again.

those mobs that suck as spectres, sucked during snapshotting too. those mobs were never good in the first place

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The OP made a pretty damned valid point on the general rarity of the spectre armour from delve which honestly should be the topic here not a comment they made 7 pages ago like a week ago.

I made comments that pertained to quoting another person. you came in and created your own argument for some reason.

my hobby is to point out exaggerations and lies created by others to try to boost their own point.

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I think it should be possible to actually stand a reasonable chance of getting this over the course of TWO MONTHS+, I can easily get a headhunter in much less time and its dramatically more powerful.

I agree with you.

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Shieldbreaker wrote:

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grepman wrote:

maybe you should re-read my post then ?

I repeated it already, the statement of "I mention it since it was the last time spectre/zombie summoners were meta. They have been trash to mediocre since.", especially the bolded...

is absolutely and utterly false.

In fact... fuck that, I'm going to stop sugarcoating it and call a spade a spade.

it's an outright lie, designed to exaggerate a point and only undermines the lying person's point and further credibility.

First of all, in my first post I rate spectre summoners as mediocre-to-okay, that is meant to be with high investment - all minion passives, meta minion (fire eater/solar guard at the time, no idea what is meta now), supported with auras and so on. Also good gear, +1 spectre delve boots with high defenses, lvl 21 gems and whatnot. Definitely more or less competitive, with high end gear, including a +1 spectre chest.

thats all fine and dandy, but again you said that since snapshotting died, they are mediocre to trash. this is a lie.

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Quality of Life is meant in the sense that, as SilentSymphony said, the grind for it is reasonable and in-line with other classes/builds high end chests, not 100x harder for a smaller power boost than those classes. I definitely do not want the chest to become a common 5c item 100s of which are floating around day 2 of a league.

that's not called a quality of life, which was my only point. you can call it something else, because qol is something like persisting spectres on logout or desecrate corpse changes. or snapshotting changes, actually (since gathering spectres was quite more busywork back then)

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Thirdly, in that post, where I rated summoners as trash-to-mediocre, that is overall ever since the snapshotting fix. Sure, after delve freed us from Bones of Ullr, after minion damage became a %More gem, after jewels got the minion damage and so on, minions became mostly playable, but for very, very long stretches of time minion builds were trash tier, except SRS. And even these days, check poe.ninja or other sites, hardly anyone plays summoners, especially at high-end content (red maps/deep delves/bosskillers), nor are summoners anywhere near the first to reach high levels and so on. Hence the idea for a change to help summoners a little bit.

and like Ive said, your point that spectre summoners OVERALL SINCE SNAPSHOTTING are trash, is false.

there was a reason I brought up solar guards and totem dudes. there were super popular and even meta at some point.

using the logic of no one playing spectres in current league to say they were trash since snapshotting, is nonsense, sorry. I bet barely anyone is playing RF nowadays. So should I say RF was mediocre to trash since snapshot fix (when it was arguably the strongest if you cared to do all snapshotting + redbeak ) ?
no, I shouldn't. because that would be false.

spectre builds go through peaks and valleys, just like most other builds do.

I do agree with your main point (on topic), but come on. you dont have to resort to saying the were mediocre to trash since snapshotting; you dont have to lie to kick it

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robmafia wrote:

and it's still WAY easier than the first week of betrayal, so...

not sure what you think you're arguing. mobs received a trivial buff, therefore, this brokenly OP mod should be easy to attain on rare items?

After betrayel players were able to craft op items that can never even imagine before.

They wanted kidney for 370+ pdps jewelled foil in incursion now everyone is hanging around with 450+pdps multimod jewelled foils.

You can get the base for 3-4ex. Jewelled Foil with only one mod. prob dictator's

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Legion/qv2nzvHg

Or you can buy 6L short bow with just one mod (+1 level gem) for 1-1.5ex
bow for ed/contag

But you cant do that for +1 spectre armor. Bcs its the rarest mod and only one drop area in the entire game chests with +1 spectre (no other mods) starts with 20ex.

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grepman wrote:

I do agree with your main point (on topic), but come on. you dont have to resort to saying the were mediocre to trash since snapshotting; you dont have to lie to kick it

Summoners have not been meta since 2013, the totem specrtes you mention were a viable, but far from the only decent bosskiller in what, 2015 or 2016? But they quickly got stealth nerfed with +1 totem shields not working on them via Necromantic Aegis. Also, when act 4 came out, the revenants were viable, even strong spectres, for like a week or so, until they got nerfed into oblivion. That was the last time, to the best of my knowledge, when spectre summoners were anything close to meta.

Some spectres being decent for 5% of the time since 2013 does not make spectre summoners always in an okay spot 2013-2019, at least not in my opinion. Though you are right that power levels do not mean much when the main focus of the topic is the insane grind differences between spectre summoner/other build endgame chests.

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pphnx wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

and it's still WAY easier than the first week of betrayal, so...

not sure what you think you're arguing. mobs received a trivial buff, therefore, this brokenly OP mod should be easy to attain on rare items?

After betrayel players were able to craft op items that can never even imagine before.

They wanted kidney for 370+ pdps jewelled foil in incursion now everyone is hanging around with 450+pdps multimod jewelled foils.

You can get the base for 3-4ex. Jewelled Foil with only one mod. prob dictator's

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Legion/qv2nzvHg

Or you can buy 6L short bow with just one mod (+1 level gem) for 1-1.5ex
bow for ed/contag

But you cant do that for +1 spectre armor. Bcs its the rarest mod and only one drop area in the entire game chests with +1 spectre (no other mods) starts with 20ex.

1. you're comparing weapons to chest pieces. summoners still use weapons. ...often, a weapon (or two) that provide an extra spectre, so...
2. vis mortis
3. there's a +1 spectre mod for boots
4. yes, a 1-mod rare will cost more than a typical rare with that stat. that's... kind of the point.
5. again, brokenly OP should not be a baseline or a means of comparison. not only should brokenly OP not be the norm, it should at best be an anomaly/error about to be nerfed.