New PoE Code of Conduct change also applies to Global Chat
" lol since they decided to gimp my molten strike build, the only purpose i now serve in this game is to monitor public chat with my finger hovered over the report button and waiting to fire off the moment somebody mentions the word trump or jesus. Last edited by idrankyourbeer#1700 on Jun 5, 2019, 7:43:54 PM
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My gardener's name is Jesus.
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I'm glad GGG is finally taking steps to improve the new player experience. Don't know how many times I saw new players baited into heated debates in global chat. I hope they take more steps in the future to make the game a place to chill and have some fun rather than a place for people to be toxic and troll others.
Designer of Unending Hunger and The Craving divination card.
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" please refrain from using the J word on this forum or in public chat. i'm going to have to let you off with a stern warning this time, but if it happens again it's gonna go a different way. |
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" Inflammatory subjects was never my wording. That's not even my place to define in this context as this isn't my company, my game, or my forum. I think what is forgotten is that we are in their house, and generally speaking when you're in someone's house you follow their rules if you have any intention of being a decent guest. If I don't agree with the house rules, I leave. To attempt to answer at least the spirit of your question, even though it is not my place to provide the answer.... There are certain topics which are generally taboo in certain settings. The most basic being never talk religion or politics unless you are in a place that is specifically for that. There is a reason that is a common rule of thumb, because at best it doesn't get ugly but more commonly in my experience it spirals to a bad place (I'm an atheist for reference). People kill over religion. People kill over politics. They are quite volatile topics even in the best of circumstances. It is a subjective topic clearly but someone has to set ground rules. GGG's house. GGG's rules. We are guests free to leave any time we like. Thanks for all the fish!
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" Actually i would agree, but in regard to the fact that there have already been rules prohibiting negative behaviour, while we all had access to mechanicsms as blocking or reporting, this changes has a bad aftertaste. The reason is also not to funnel the chat to game related topics, as other offtopic stuff (like flirting, internet-memes or talks about kittens) will not be prohibited either. It is simply to prevent potentialbad behaviour, especially since there are also people out there, who can speak on controversial matters without becoming hostile. Yet, preventing "bad" behaviour is always a controversial idea itsself, but especially young people nowadays are simply too conform and naive to realze this. So even though this change will not affect me in any way, because i dont use any other channels than whisper-channel anyway, im not buying this changes as a benefit for the players. There is political pressure behind it and it is also economical as Shagsbeard already mentioned. Simple as that. btw. The "house rules"-argument is kinda reasonable, but keep in mind that in the end not contractualism (aka terms of conditions) are the last instance, but the court. In theory you can even sue a company for getting banned, if you are able to prove that you are banned for unfair resons; no matter what terms of conditions you accepted. Problem is more that this is impossible in practise. Of course in this topic, there is no law preventing GGG from banning people for things, that are illegal anyway. Last edited by Philkingz#3638 on Jun 5, 2019, 8:38:59 PM
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" My point wasn't to put you on the spot or get you to define it, simply to illustrate how poorly defined it is and as a result can easily be utilized at will by any moderator to censor in any given context if he so sees fit without having to uphold a golden standard against all users. I took the term directly from the CoC, not your post sir. " Everything is an inflammatory topic given the correct context. The lack of contextual boundary is exactly why i find it problematic because it allows each moderator to interpret individually and subjectively. GGG can do whatever they want, but they should close down off-topic for starters and actually formulate clear rules to uphold and not throw in some random "could mean anything at any time" terminology which nobody will be the wiser from untill they get hit with warnings. Enforcing business oriented rules on your gaming boards and in-game chat moderation and then also applying them to a section dedicated to off-topic discussions for the community seems facetious at best. Peace, -Boem- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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" Yep! Off Topic should just go at this point. And instead of just some vaguely defined yet arbitrary "inflammatory topics" rule, there should be a clear rule that the PoE forums as a whole are for PoE discussion only. Any topics that don't directly pertain to PoE will just be removed outright. Leave no room for interpretation on the moderators' part and no room for confusion on the part of the hapless user who's just looking to shoot the shit. If they really want to clean up the forums and do more to protect their own fragile psyches as they've said, that's how it's done. And they definitely wouldn't be the first to go that route. Global chat is a whole different animal, but forums are easy to deal with. I have a pretty good sense of humor. I'm not German.
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They don't have to define it. They don't have to justify their actions. They don't owe you that. It's their party and they'll ban who ever they please... without stopping to argue about why. They're nice enough to tell you beforehand why they might, but they're under no obligation to defend themselves.
You on the other hand have every right not to like that. But you're pissing in the wind. |
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There's bound to be more suitable places for discussion of topics that GGG deems to be "inflammatory". Places with more focused moderation that disallow obvious trolling from trying to derail otherwise serious conversations.
After all, people start slewing insults and hate speech in response to political discussion in Global chat all the time. It would probably take more effort for GGG to ban all people causing issues about such subjects than it would be to ban the subjects altogether. I think we can all agree that there is a silver lining in that these forums and the in-game chat will still be better than the immature toxic cesspool that is Reddit. Not even CI saves people from that place. Last edited by IllustrativeCapital#2713 on Jun 5, 2019, 9:49:04 PM
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