As a Casual, I am sad that Synthesis is ending so soon

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makarsk1 wrote:
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SeCKSEgai wrote:


It's because it's both disingenuous and seriously lacking in self-awareness.

As far as it's impact on the community, it can set unrealistic expectations. I have only 2 doctor cards that I've collected since starting in the middle of Abyss. I've never dedicated exclusively to burial chambers runs, but it's still also my most frequently run map. A lot of the folks whining stash tabs are pay to win have the erroneous impression that stash tabs make people rich in game to facilitate those 50 ex builds.

36 challenges is guaranteed to take extensive play. To say otherwise is not just a lie but an insult belittling fellow players.


I got 16 days /played over 3 month in Synthesis to push for 36 challenges. I am pretty sure you have a fraction of that. I never claimed that 36 is easy.

Idk where I lied to you or insulted you, but I am pretty sure I am casual, being a 9/5 law firm clerk with a family, who can only play when his son goes to sleep.

Edit: It was actually I who got insulted in this thread multiple times, accused of RMT and attention seeking, for no other reason than calling myself a casual, which doesn't even have a direct relation to the main topic of the thread - that 3-month leagues are too short.



If you hadn't made the claim of casual you wouldn't have had an issue getting your main point across.

My main character in Betrayal ended it with about 16 days played time as well, also hitting 36. 16 days is 384 hours. Casual play would fall much closer to around 90-180ish for 1-2 hours a day, or longer sessions with plenty of unplayed days in between.

You may not be hitting streamer level play, but there's still a wide berth between them and "cacual" gaming. Casual level player typically won't even break 24, not for lack of skill but simply lack of time invested.

Frankly it was a struggle for me to hit 12 this league. Even when I first started midway through abyss I hit 19 while just trying to figure everything out. This league was easily the least enjoyable since I've started. My highest synthesis character has less than 4 days, and who knows how much of it was afk.

One thing I learned pretty early on is to review the profiles of folks whenever I think something they say is suspect. It won't tell you everything but generally gives one an idea of their experience level. Some of the most experienced players in game may post with a low or nonexistent league challenges completed number.

I bet if you were to ask everyone in this thread who's hit 36 at one point - they would agree that hitting 36 may not quite be "hardcore", but its far from casual.
Yep, totally over league play.
Playing SSF Flashback took until yesterday to get Impulsa:


Now there is not time to generate currency to craft it. 1 month races are good for content but too short for everything else.
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Oh... and hardcore casual.... really?

Not only should they not be in the same sentence, but it's basically like trying to desperately prove you're not a no-lifer.

"Hardcore" is subjective but you can't be hardcore and casual. Not everyone's hardcore, nor is everyone casual and that's ok. We folks in the middle are simply neither.
Yep, totally over league play.
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makarsk1 wrote:
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hyttemaier wrote:


Now let's say you own an IT store, you have some regulars that come in to check out the newest hardware, and regulary buy new products, business is going good.

One day a few protesters stand outside, they have bought one product, but they want you to change your business model completely, and want you to sell used products, or else they wont buy from you again!

The catch is, if you meet the protesters demands, you know the regulars would buy products elsewhere, if your store dosent have the newest hardware.

Now i ask you, would you change your business model, to meet the few protesters demands?


But you see, the business is not going good. 3-month release shedule already has some problems - not enough time to test the leagues, inability to deliver deep gameplay, feeling foreced to fall back on shallower leagues just to save on development time and costs.

Sythesis had great potential but died too early because of inability to properly develop it in the alotted time.

There are three types of audience here:


1. Ultra-hardcore, who do 40/40 in a month, then quit until the next league.

2. Real casuals, who buy a supporter pack, because why not, play a little, get a few challenges, then get bored and quit while waiting for the next league and the next supporter pack. These are the bread and butter of GGG business model.

3. Harcore casuals, who cannot play more than a few hours per day, but still try to push for 36/40 and top meta builds (which is expensive and time-consuming). These are punished the most by 3-month shedule.

Abandoning 3-month schedule in favor of 4-month shedule would not hurt anyone from audiences 1 and 2 in any meaningful way (yeah, you got to wait for the next league a bit longer, can work on your Steam backlog in the meantime), while helping audience 3 immensely.

It would also hurt GGGs revenue in short term , but in turn gives them more time to deliver better leagues and attract more players in the long term.


You can assume all you want, but the 3 month model, is the best for both the players and the business, have a look on this video, Chris explains in detail, why we have 3 month leagues, you cant run from those graphs and numbers, you will never guess who helped Chris realise that the consistancy of 3 month schedules is the best thing for path of exile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM_5S55jUzk
Last edited by hyttemaier#4911 on May 28, 2019, 9:29:05 AM
casual players are not defined by achievements or time played.
what differences casuals from hardcores is that the seconds are focused around making their game more efficient and optimized, something that requires a great investment of time and practice of certain patterns, or follow some strategy while trying to optimize that strategy.
only because you are good at some game it doesn't mean you are hardcore.
harcore players study the game, casual gamers just play it, maybe following some strategy someone else developed but without fully understand it.

casual players care only about the new content, so redo a character, run the 10 act over and over is the most tedious part for them/myself.

poe is hardcore focusing more and more? ok, casual will play it sometimes, but won't remain in the long run. that is where the addiction to content kicks in to balance that.
Last edited by Sol_Starving#2921 on May 28, 2019, 10:24:44 AM
People still haven't figured out that OP's just messing with you all?

The fact that they only put one step from "ultra hardcore" to "hardcore casual", which is where they put themselves and insist still counts as "casual", is... really telling, hahah.

No casual gets a headhunter 2 months into every league. I've gotten 40/40 twice and 36/40 a couple more times and still haven't gotten a headhunter within a league (I have one in standard from accumulated league wealth).
Last edited by codetaku#0468 on May 28, 2019, 11:43:58 AM
The OP makes good points. Unfortunately the message got lost by the use of the word "casual". Being a law clerk you are an educated individual and would look past that word and review the content. The angry mob decides otherwise and bays for blood. Form over substance is something to think about when drafting a message across on any general discussion forum.

On to the topic - It comes down to the hard dollars. The game is F2P and hence is entirely reliant on MTX as revenue. It is clear from their internal data (and frankly common sense would tell you) that spending is highest at a new launch. Ask yourself - why does Apple keep needing to launch new iPhones instead of focusing on improving existing versions? Finding the sweet spot in terms of how many launches per year really is more a science than an art. An optimal balance between league cycles and player retention is absolutely key and the reality is that leagues depopulate rapidly after the first month and with that revenues goes down. GGG needs to keep things fresh and having a 4 month league instead of a 3 month league is a loss of 25% of revenue based on napkin math.

Anyone that posts on this forum constitutes the top 10% of the player base. The rest of them can be termed "casuals". We are a vocal minority, which whilst important to GGG, still represents only a minority share of the wallet despite the impressive supporter packs next to our name.
Last edited by DAKKONx#3689 on May 28, 2019, 12:40:59 PM
3 months is quite short for a league and I am a regular player for 2 leagues. Coming from WoW it feels very hectic gearing up a starter from scratch and building every 3 months. WoW patches typically last 5-6 months which feels much more relaxed.

Chris has said that poe business model revolves around those 4 quarterly peaks. If leagues lasted just a month longer, GGG would lose alot of revenue because they would go from 4 to 3 cycles. So I can't see them changing it up much. Expect to see more leagues like flashback if anything!

It might be good if previous leagues stayed live for the first month or of two
of their predecessors. So there would be two leagues active at any time. That way you could have much longer leagues and keep 4 per year. It would make the game more confusing though. It's a tough call. 3 months is still a good compromise and better than having a new league every month or something.
"look at me I've completed 36 of the 40 chores that daddy chris put in game, therefore I'm gonna call myself casual while I know in truth that only a few % of the players actually bother to get this many, I'm sad this path of crafting league is ending.."

"hardcore CASUAL"

it's like saying, top player but only playing 2-4 hours and somedays skipping it..
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Last edited by Xystre#4581 on May 29, 2019, 7:23:28 AM
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DAKKONx wrote:
The OP makes good points. Unfortunately the message got lost by the use of the word "casual". Being a law clerk you are an educated individual and would look past that word and review the content. The angry mob decides otherwise and bays for blood. Form over substance is something to think about when drafting a message across on any general discussion forum.

On to the topic - It comes down to the hard dollars. The game is F2P and hence is entirely reliant on MTX as revenue. It is clear from their internal data (and frankly common sense would tell you) that spending is highest at a new launch. Ask yourself - why does Apple keep needing to launch new iPhones instead of focusing on improving existing versions? Finding the sweet spot in terms of how many launches per year really is more a science than an art. An optimal balance between league cycles and player retention is absolutely key and the reality is that leagues depopulate rapidly after the first month and with that revenues goes down. GGG needs to keep things fresh and having a 4 month league instead of a 3 month league is a loss of 25% of revenue based on napkin math.

Anyone that posts on this forum constitutes the top 10% of the player base. The rest of them can be termed "casuals". We are a vocal minority, which whilst important to GGG, still represents only a minority share of the wallet despite the impressive supporter packs next to our name.


Thanks for this. In the end, that is really a financial issue for GGG, and while it is inconvinient for me and others like me (many voiced their concerns in this thread), at this point 3-month reset paradigm is far too important for GGG to abandon.

I still believe that changing it would be good for the game, even if hurting cashflow in the short term. However I don't see them doing it no matter what. I am done with this topic.
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