Trade Feedback and Suggestion
" Yes, that is absolutely true. Though the same counts for a single use license. Imagine you're buying a phone once again (easier to describe as it can't happen with apples... gladly :p) And the phone (with the OS you bought as well, that's the part which will become important) works fantastic. So you're using it for a month... 2... 5... a year. And after this year the producer suddenly decides 'oh, let's make a change to the OS!' which then suddenly makes it so you simply can't turn on your phone anymore (as would be when GGG removes the servers, making the acquired good useless). This actually is a legal-case then. This can't happen as with products which have any sort of physical limitation on how long they last - unlike code - it's impossible to discern when exactly that limitation will be reached. That's why we have 'best before date' on food written... even friggin salt which won't ever go bad :p " As well as if they just close the doors but are still in business, which relates best as an example in regards to the server-structure and the bought things in-game. " Exactly. " That's not true, the server-structure is a service provided by GGG to access the single-use license we acquire (for free, hence no customer.... yet! The yet is important) to use their product. Anything happening with that is of no concern to us, there is never any actual liability besides negative effects on our hardware caused by really... reeeeaaally bad programming. As soon as we add functions in-game though which are paid for (Stash-tabs, MTX) we turn into a customer. The base-product is mandatory to use in conjunction with our acquired goods, hence if the base-product becomes such a desolate state that it's not viable to use the acquired products anymore it actually provides a legal case. Which by far isn't the case yet. " Because as mentioned, this topic isn't one which has been going around for long, law is extremely complex and intricate for anyone without very invested knowledge in a specific part. And also if you have that, you just might not find the connection without someone else making it known. It's a better way to see this topic in regards to loot-boxes rather then ban-waves. As with ban-waves there's at least a valid point made about them breaking the ToS in a way which infringes on the rights given to the other holders of a license. Namely their functionality of the game (as intended) isn't guaranteed anymore in some way. With loot-boxes on the other hand it was a long time absolutely no issue, until someone said 'But dude... isn't that actually gambling?' and other people picked it up. Afterwards the law became aware and suddenly everyone talked about it, nonetheless it has been done by EA for nearly a decade (Or even more?) by then, without any issues at all, and suddenly... lawsuit! GGG balance is like getting a pizza which is burnt on the sides, raw in the middle and misses the most of the toppings.
Then upon sending it back you get a raw side, burnt middle and enough toppings to drench everything in grease. Everything fixed but still broken. |
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I see your point about TOS and agree, you example with loot-boxes is a good one.
But I'm still not convience about the whole costumer idea, but it is not the right thread to discuss this. I suggest you create one for it if you want to debate your ideas further. |
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" ...so i'm supposed to give free legal advice on a video game forum? ...moreso than i've already done via dropping hints and pointing out the absurdity of focusing on a (100% moot) "license?" btw, LINKS don't mean shit. unless they're to actual applicable law/statutes, which... edit: omg, did our resident genius ACTUALLY backpedal alllll the way to loot boxes!? hahahahahahahahaha "license" ---> good (lolz!) --------------------------> loot boxes? da fuck? kulze, you just BTFO your own premise. you can't try to sue on the basis of x, and then completely change it to a COMPLETELY unrelated basis (y). hint: the best possible argument centers on.......... service. [Removed by Support] "Your forum signature was removed as it was considered to be inappropriate and a breach of our Code of Conduct." ...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz! Last edited by robmafia#7456 on May 7, 2019, 11:30:32 AM
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" Ah, it's not all too important, after all the whole topic came from it being de-railed anyway, and you're right, while the thread is dead anyway (which doesn't matter as 20 others which are basically the same are there) it can simply be left as is. And yes, it's a bit of a weird topic in general, law and the application of it is fairly easy in the EU sometimes, though looking over to what happens when ToS are made so they interact like a 'blanket' with as many international laws as possible is a bit mind-boggling in general. GGG balance is like getting a pizza which is burnt on the sides, raw in the middle and misses the most of the toppings.
Then upon sending it back you get a raw side, burnt middle and enough toppings to drench everything in grease. Everything fixed but still broken. |
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" Not really legal advice, but something to back up your claim of "He is wrong" argument would be nice. " We can also drop hints that you are scared to share any source because you don't have any and you don't want to accept you are wrong, but we try to back up our claim with sources in an argument. Otherwise we are simply showing to others how childish we are. " Links don't shit because 100% of them are unreliable or because you can't provide any to show why Kulze is wrong? " He didn't If you bothered to read, he was giving an example of some late backlash regarding lootboxes after someone looked into it more. It is a possible outcome if people were to looked into the laws regarding TOS or F2P services. Again, we should move this discussion in a new thread, but Kulze is also right as this thread is mostly dead. Last edited by Funinyourgame#3148 on May 7, 2019, 11:45:27 AM
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" protip: the plaintiff is the one with the burden of proof. the only exception to this is an affirmative defense, which... you know, isn't exactly applicable. lolz @ links. again. hahaha. law is decided by blogs! [Removed by Support]
"Your forum signature was removed as it was considered to be inappropriate and a breach of our Code of Conduct." ...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz! |
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" Actually no, since I provided proof now it's time for the defense to offer theirs, which hasn't been given yet. The same way any argument usually is done, one side says something, you pick apart the stuff or add to it and the argument becomes bigger and more solid... until either both sides agree to something, it comes down to personal flavor or one argument is invalidated. I provided link to 2 separate videos, one (which you clearly haven't looked at) provides the links to the legal documents regarding the topic (which you surely haven't read either). The second provides the opinion of a certified lawyer regarding the topic, if there is a point or where those points are invalid. Also I provided several links regarding the actual state of the law explaining why - and with what reasoning - the point I made is actually accurate for the time being. And lastly my argument made a point for a gray-area zone which hasn't been decided completely yet, though is grounded in large areas regarding the law unless an exception is made with a re-work following with regards to licensing digital goods. GGG balance is like getting a pizza which is burnt on the sides, raw in the middle and misses the most of the toppings.
Then upon sending it back you get a raw side, burnt middle and enough toppings to drench everything in grease. Everything fixed but still broken. |
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This Thread is the #1 answer as to why this game sucks.
People prefer to shit-talk in forum, instead of playing the Game. Because shit-talking is more fun or just boredom. [Removed by Support] Last edited by Des_GGG#0000 on May 7, 2019, 12:48:18 PM
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" Actually... sad but true. GGG balance is like getting a pizza which is burnt on the sides, raw in the middle and misses the most of the toppings.
Then upon sending it back you get a raw side, burnt middle and enough toppings to drench everything in grease. Everything fixed but still broken. |
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" ...because you didn't follow through with your sure victory of a lawsuit. you walk into these... every time. " clearly not. the urls even gave that away. [Removed by Support]
"Your forum signature was removed as it was considered to be inappropriate and a breach of our Code of Conduct." ...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz! |
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